7in7turtles

7in7turtles t1_je5fttw wrote

I actually do care, sorry. And for what it’s worth I don’t like or dislike you. Don’t fucking know you. This is reddit. I’m just saying that fat jokes are not really the kind that transcend the boundaries of political discourse.

Still, even if he has declined in popularity, he ran in a very unusual Republican primary, But things change in politics very rapidly. Relatively speaking Christie’s crimes are not he kind that a general electorate would give a fuck about. He pivoted to the center hard after he got out of the Trump campaign, and I could imagine him rebranding nationally.

And I’m not saying this because I like him, he has one of the most ridiculous weed platforms in the entire country. This dude’s criminal justice record is bonkers in my opinion. Still, I find the fat jokes pretty tasteless, and something that people would recoil if said in any other context.

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7in7turtles t1_je2w2ck wrote

I respect your right to retain this opinion. As someone who is essentially describing my own reaction to the behavior of those making these jokes, I can only hope to explain to you how some may react. You are absolutely free to proceed how you wish, and it is not my wish to make you feel otherwise.

My point is best summarized like this. Calling Christie a fat fuck, is a cathartic release for many people. However, cathartic release is like masturbation; it is an important, addictive and extraordinarily unproductive habit and doing it in public may feel good but it's pretty disgusting to those around you.

But you do you. Cathartic release is better done on reddit than out in the world. If this makes you feel better, by all means, I'd never deprive you of the right.

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7in7turtles t1_je2r5cq wrote

Soo here's the thing. I do appreciate your care for the fat joke thing, but I don't care about the fact that it's a fat joke.

I care about the fact that it is a completely personal attack on him that has nothing to do with what he did. I remember the beach incident, I remember bridgegate, but I also remember seeing people role their eyes at the endless string of fat jokes that had absolutely nothing to do with either of them.

The joke here is clear: "David is sporting a chub"

That joke is not an indictment of Christie on the beach, it's not a ridicule of his policy. It's just a fat joke.

My point is when you make jokes like this, you turn people against what might be legitimate criticism. In 2004 relentless jokes about Bush's accent and way of speaking produced a lot of sympathy for him, because people in the south talked that way. The coastal "comedians" who were going after this low hanging fruit for jokes about a guy who clearly deserved ridicule, ended up creating creating a bunch of new Republicans because they weren't in the bubble.

I'm saying that to some extent we're doing the same thing by taking these cheap shots at Christie.

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7in7turtles t1_je2joe7 wrote

Yeah well that’s around about way of saying “it’s ok to make personal attacks on the man because he did a bad thing.” You do you man, but when I talk to people and the only thing they can think to say about him is call him “fat boy.” I tend to think it’s extremely lazy and reflects on those people poorly.

Again, there are plenty of things you could say about him, and everyone has the god given right to be an asshole, especially in New Jersey, but don’t pretend it’s some high brow endeavor.

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7in7turtles t1_jdyavuw wrote

I think this is the difference between having your dream job, and your dream resume. The former is important and the latter is pretty meaningless. I got the opportunity to work at one of my "dream companies" and it was not the greatest experience.

But I was working at one of those companies that I really wanted to work at. I wasn't doing the job that I really wanted to do. That's a huge difference. Having a good job, at a company that may not be your dream company, is better than having a shit job at the coolest place in the world for sure.

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