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Yelmel t1_j6ivcq4 wrote

> Anyone found violating sanctions is cut off from future supplies.

Okay, it's the least we could do, but can we do more? Seems to me like this would just be a never-ending game of whack-a-mole, and stupid expensive to administer too.

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EERsFan4Life t1_j6j2wsp wrote

Welcome to the world of export controls.

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stickles_ t1_j6knv4t wrote

Or the world of government in general, people will always find a way around a law no matter how well that law is enforced.

It's harder to do in some cases, but where there's a will there's a way.

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Daveinatx t1_j6lwouq wrote

If owners and execs were sent to prison, with a large proportional fine, the numbers would be reduced.

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Winds_Howling2 t1_j6kqouo wrote

Welcome to the world of private choice. Companies, if not compelled otherwise, will have their interests and will try their best to serve such interests, to serve Russian market needs, especially military market needs.

It's like the US recently being shocked at American companies in large part assisting the skyrocketing Chinese tech industries through initial development stages of chip-making, and then the US govt. forgetting all notions of freedom in trade and banning this international affair, which forced private American companies previously doing big business with China, like NVIDIA, to take significant business losses. It will be the people within the most ardent opposition countries to Russia, that will be the most interested in assisting it. They will find a way to assist it one way or another.

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Dropped-pie t1_j6kr12a wrote

Because China is fucked, yeah?

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Winds_Howling2 t1_j6krrhe wrote

It remains to be seen, as they are now incentivised to develop their own, or take Taiwanese chips, now that they've been cut off from freedom chips. It will mainly come down to how well the enforcement regime upholds the barrier that the US has asked to be upheld, and how successful China is in doing chips from scratch.

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professorDissociate t1_j6l5157 wrote

You mean like the orange baboon who sent an armed and angry crowd to the capital on Jan 6?

I was doubtful of your statement, but then I remembered shit like this happens all the time.

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bubba-yaga t1_j6mngsg wrote

Usa sanction is not law. It is just a showcase of their political power exerted onto smaller developed/developing nations.

If this war drags on, people/businesses will find ways to avoid it.

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DevoidHT t1_j6j3tbg wrote

The most glaring issue of free market economies. If you sell to one person, you’re selling to everyone. There’s always someone that is willing to skirt sanctions to make a quick buck.

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Flatus_Diabolic t1_j6k9olg wrote

Greed isn't always the reason.

Iran, NK, Russia, and lots of other heavily sanctioned countries just create front companies overseas to buy the goods they need.

I knew a guy worked for a company waaaay back in the day that sold a couple of supercomputers to a Western European company that did meteorological simulation.

A few months later, the feds were crawling all over them because those computers had inexplicably ended up in totally different country and were being used for nuclear weapons research.

I guess, maybe in the excitement to make a big sale, someone didn't do their due diligence as well as they should have, but this front company wasn't exactly a couple of post office boxes and an empty building somewhere, either.

It had all the relevant legal paperwork and finances to say they were legit, everything checked out, so why not sell to them?

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killerhurtalot t1_j6l7l06 wrote

Sounds like greed to me. That's just a feature of capitalism...

When you have the resources of nation states, you can easily make shell companies to buy whatever you want.

Just look at how the US bought most of the titanium used for the SR71 blackbird from Russia lol.

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Yelmel t1_j6j7ie6 wrote

Well, yes apparently on this sanctions regime, but you see very effective solutions out there. Take NAFTA import duty-free terms and conditions (I'm a career functionary) as an example.

You have a penalties associated with breaches of the trade rules, and the income from the penalties are respendable revenue to bolster the auditing programs. So catching these guys is not just a slap on the wrist, it's a slap on the wrist, a hit to the pocket, and a guarantee that they'll be back for more. Those assholes wanting to risk making a quick buck end up paying the enforcement cost. Ask a Canadian or American about cross-border purchasing. If they do it, they know the rules, and they follow them.

We should not throw our hands in the air and give up.

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moknine1189 t1_j6jy3sb wrote

Glad I read til the last sentence, exactly my sentiment. Thanks for the laugh.

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micro102 t1_j6l4tqy wrote

Yeah, I feel there should be physical consequences for people caught doing this.

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