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Akiasakias t1_j3zdolu wrote

Germany uses Hollywood style accounting to shuffle significant lignite coal power production into its solar ledger. Takes a whole day to switch over when weather changes but they count it all as 100% solar.

Their solar investments have been GREAT for the technology. But it's been pretty shitty for power output.

They have spent more than California and produce a fraction of the power. Why? Simple amount of sunshine.

Solar in Germany is all about feelings and wishes and nothing about math. The earth is not flat.

Put that shit in Spain and import it. Much cheaper, much more efficient.

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Amtsschreiber t1_j40as01 wrote

> Put that shit in Spain and import it. Much cheaper, much more efficient.

Yeah, because the last year has taught us that it's totally no problem to depend on another country for half of your energy needs.

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derkonigistnackt t1_j40a0eo wrote

You are getting down voted but it's true. The greens are not the brightest ones in germany, neither is the sun. Renewable energy is a highly geography dependent tech. In Germany wind makes sense, solar doesn't. As simple as that.

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ekobar t1_j40qooz wrote

Solar does make sense and you clearly don't know what you are talking about.

Would a solar power plant make sense? No. Are they build in Germany? No Would decentralized solar panels, which are used directly in the households that produce them? Yes and they already did. Is this the way it is done in Germany? Yes. Is it effective? Yes.

But for someone who thinks "sPaIn hot! sOlAr gOoD! gErMaNy cOlD! sOlAR bAd" this is probably going over your head. That is your thinking on the level of a fucking toddler who just learned the hard way that cooking fields are hot.

Fascinating how someone with no idea or knowledge of the topic is so sure and is calling other people and around 30% of Germans dumb.

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ceratophaga t1_j422l4y wrote

> Would a solar power plant make sense? No. Are they build in Germany? No

My morning jogging route takes me along two of them. Granted, they aren't large, but they do exist. The funny thing is: If they exist, someone sat down and calculated that they'd make a profit off of them, so I'd say they work.

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ekobar t1_j4273oc wrote

Yes there are some, but they make a small part of the current percentage of generated solar power. And i don't know about any larger projects in planning.

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ekobar t1_j4113ra wrote

If you are so smart, then tell me how do you bring that power to Germany? And that without the any lost? Dude you are embarrassing yourself.

You have clearly not any knowledge about, solar engery, power grids and yet physics alone. Fuck off and take a seat in the back, when people talk who actually know that stuff. Fucking uneducated moron.

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derkonigistnackt t1_j4158ga wrote

Bring what power? You sound like an agressive scared chihuahua chasing its own tail. Your fingers go faster than your tiny chihuahua brains and im pretty sure you're trying to respond to another poster.

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Akiasakias t1_j40c149 wrote

I am also a green. Just one who can do math 😔

Don't mind being unpopular. Everything I said is backed up by data. Need to say it moreso because of the reactions.

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hcschild t1_j40lofk wrote

You can do math? Are you sure you didn't mean meth?

But feel free to show us your math for forms of energy that can be produced in Germany that are not polluting and cheaper than solar or wind. ;)

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Akiasakias t1_j415ljl wrote

Well nuclear is honestly the smartest choice for Germany specifically. Would take them a decade or more though.

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hcschild t1_j43q5zx wrote

So you want the source of energy that is one of the most expensive ones to be our main source of energy? Doesn't sound very smart.

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Fishydeals t1_j40pp8z wrote

So how do we get all that energy from spain back to germany without losing like 30-50% to transporting it back?

Solar might not be the best option for germany, but it would help if conservative parties like the csu would drop their ridiculous rules like 'the distance from a wind turbine to the nearest settlement needs to be its height times 10'. It's the same people who get drunk on the oktoberfest with people from all over the world, puke everywhere in the city and trains and then oppose cannabis legalization with big publicity because they do not want drug tourism. Thank god these idiots are slowly dying.

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Akiasakias t1_j415a57 wrote

Transmission is not terrible. You lose a few % but it's way more efficient than the change in sun angle going north.

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Fishydeals t1_j419vnb wrote

Then why go to spain and not north africa? It's way cheaper, better angle and more sun hours.

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Akiasakias t1_j42co25 wrote

It is, and that is an option being considered. Sicily is also pretty good.

Transmission across the Mediterranean sounds difficult.

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ekobar t1_j41ifpw wrote

That is wrong. Transmission lost would be terrible over this distance, the lost of power rises exponatial over distance. More then "a few percent". You also don't calculate in your "investment" the cost of building these land lines. What land lines do you want to build for that? Over- or Underground? If you go underground then the lost is even worse and good luck building 2000km of multiple overground landlines trough Europe without massive delays through politics and policies.

Also still waiting on the math you did, which the greens can't do and you did!

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Akiasakias t1_j42ehfv wrote

Will have to circle back Saturday with the data. I'm currently 2000 miles from home. Small town with limited internet and no access to my files.

Best I can do from my snow bunker are resources like this. https://globalsolaratlas.info/map?c=11.523088,8.261719,2

Red or orange, solar is great economic and environmental.

Yellow it is probably break even. Worth doing for environment reasons. But may not be a great investment.

Green or worse you are probably never going to make back the carbon debt of blast furnacing the silicon into panels.

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ekobar t1_j46fgzh wrote

Yeah still nothing about how to get the energy from Spain to Germany and the econmical effect of that.

What does it help the German energy grid if you produce the power in Spain? How does that help the supply?

Since you always talk about investement may think about the the macroeconmical factors for Germany to build and invest in their own infrastructur. You see this very one dimensional, more sun = more money. Nothing is that simple.

> Red or orange, solar is great economic and environmental. > > Yellow it is probably break even. Worth doing for environment reasons. But may not be a great investment.

No that is your interpretation and it is wrong. The colors show the output, which is in southern Spain 40% higher then in Germany. Sorry but your source does not even help your point.

The one thing i still can't see is your math ;)

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