needypondy t1_j6jsc1d wrote on January 30, 2023 at 8:52 PM

Reply to comment by pp_in_a_pitcher in U.S. Secretary of State in Jerusalem: Urgent steps needed for calm, Calls for Two-State Solution by TheFrederalGovt

Neither side wants this because it’d immediately devolve into a dysfunctional sectarian state likely to descend into civil war.

ntbananas t1_j6jt7u6 wrote on January 30, 2023 at 8:58 PM

Yep. Look no further than Lebanon to see what that dysfunction would look like. Not an inspiring track record

needypondy t1_j6jtu1j wrote on January 30, 2023 at 9:02 PM

Yeah. Even in this post-civil war period, they’re so dysfunctional they have been going through one of the worst economic crises ever recorded (according to the World Bank). It just doesn’t work.

ntbananas t1_j6juqus wrote on January 30, 2023 at 9:07 PM

The only counterpoints I can think of in terms of old world (i.e., excluding the Americas since those are predominantly multi-ethnic, immigrant-based societies) successful truly multiethnic states are Switzerland and Belgium. Maybe India as well, though they seem to be sliding into chaos as well these days. There are probably some in Africa as well, though I have to admit I'm not particularly well versed in demographic trends there.

Nonetheless, none of the successful versions are anything close to a theoretical one state solution

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thedeathdrive t1_j6nnsr4 wrote on January 31, 2023 at 4:51 PM

What’s the alternative, though? No resolution, just guaranteed periodic violence?

needypondy t1_j6noqv1 wrote on January 31, 2023 at 4:57 PM

Probably, yes. Until either side makes concessions that would be politically explosive on their own side, resolution isn’t likely. A one-state solution also certainly will not happen.