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spiteful_rr_dm_TA t1_j6j6sp5 wrote

Reply to comment by Matsisuu in Haavisto: Finland has patience to wait for Nato membership — with Sweden. by parandroidfinn

Finland and Estonia together can seal off the Baltic Sea from ruzzia, thanks to the narrow gap between them. NATO certainly has the airpower and naval capacity to move large numbers of troop and equipment. Plus what makes you think we couldn't get the supplies through Sweden? Even if they aren't in NATO, they would definitely allow the passage of weapons if war breaks out.

And yes, but the US has the 1st, 2nd, and 4th strongest airforces in the world, and no small portion of those resources are in Europe. The Finish and Norwegian airforces would be more than enough to bolster NATO forces in Europe with US airpower.

Plus you act like Sweden won't just sign treaties with other NATO members. The options are not just NATO, ruzzia, or perfectly neutral. Nothing is stopping them from just signing mutual defense pacts with Norway, Finland, the baltic states, Poland, the UK, Iceland, Denmark, and the US, so that they can join the war effort without being in NATO. Ultimately, being in NATO is more or less symbolic at this point.

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Matsisuu t1_j6jfi8r wrote

Estonia and Finland can't secure baltics that well, we don't have that much equipment. US air forces is needed also in southern if war occurs between NATO and Russia, northern countries likely covers air mainly by themselves. It's not about can we fet, but will we get supplies trough Sweden. Uncertainty is not good thing, with NATO membership, it is certain.

And Sweden can sign their own treaties, but will they?

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[deleted] t1_j6o4fzj wrote

Well dont mind us making our own nuclear bombs then that U.S fought us on. At this point it feels like some are more interested in giving Russia the middlefinger than the actual safety of these countries. You should know by now they intend to use those nuclear on us, so we would be held hostage in that situation, without the protection we simply has to stay out meaning we cant have nato on our soil as that puts an target on us with no proper protection. What would deter them from trying then? Nothing really, we would be guessing, russia might be tempted and guess what, then we would absolutely have to make a hard choice and that's sad, because we do not want to be put in this position again but not surprised the zero care in this situation for the possible outcome of such a sollution and what would happen to all us us, it would affect everyone. And you bring in Iceland they dont fucking have a military.

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spiteful_rr_dm_TA t1_j6o4tkz wrote

You do realize there are more options than NATO, ruzzia, or strict neutrality, right? That countries are capable of signing mutual defense treaties outside of NATO? Sweden and Finland can each or both sign mutual defense treaties with the US and other NATO members independently, and use that as the same level of safety that NATO can provide

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