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Emperor_Zar t1_j24jvqt wrote
So I am sure there is a TON of logistics that I know I am unawares of, BUT in the end it does seem that the result is:
Japan carries Ukrainian blood on their hands by purchasing Russian crude.
PotatoRover t1_j25mt2k wrote
I mean, Ukraine itself makes money off of Russian pipelines that pass through its territory currently WHILE fighting Russia. Japan isn’t as fortunate as places like the u.s who are energy independent. All of east Asia is extremely dependent on oil from the Middle East and Russia. It’s buy oil from totalitarian Russia or totalitarian Saudi Arabia or shut down your country so you don’t buy from bad people which is a non starter.
alterom t1_j25z3qe wrote
>I mean, Ukraine itself makes money off of Russian pipelines that pass through its territory currently WHILE fighting Russia.
Ukraine would gladly cut those pipelines if the recipients weren't part of the block that helps Ukraine survive.
It's not like Ukraine has much choice in that matter.
Japan does.
iSpeakFaxxx123 t1_j26unsa wrote
Money rules the world. Someone hasn’t heard of that. Apparently a lot of western companies still operate in Russia by operating under a different brand name, not sure how true that is but wouldn’t be surprised.
alterom t1_j26uwvk wrote
"Apparently" and "not sure" aren't great sources for such allegations, mate.
Apparently.
iSpeakFaxxx123 t1_j28r1fp wrote
Better than assuming I know better :) I would say what I said if I didn’t read about such allegations
lightknightrr t1_j26xifn wrote
People are too poor to be able to afford morals. Gotcha.
They used the same logic when everyone was sucking the d*ck of Nazi Germany. Monsters don't just happen; there are reasons that they are bad.
Reselects420 t1_j287o4o wrote
Donate all your money to Ukraine or you don’t have morals. I’m sure you can afford morals.
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JonoNexus t1_j24qoff wrote
Depends how you frame it, perhaps they're doing it because their people are suffering from the oil prices. There's a certain amount of egoism that you have to accept from a government of a country. Is it wrong for a country to put their citizens' needs ahead of another's?
Honest question. Idk if that's Japan's motivation at the day..
K1St3 t1_j25ey4k wrote
No, it's actually because the government alongside some corporations like Mitsubishi had already invested billions in the Sakhalin-2 project. When the invasion started, instead of stopping investments or withdrawing from the project, they've instead chosen to double down by investing more.
Oil price in Japan is fine, there are also a lot of affordable public transports such as bus, trains & high-speed trains (which often corporations cover the cost too).
All of the foreign parties that have invested in the project can totally afford that loss as not only they are massive (Mitsubishi is just that big), they were already aware years before about the potential risk of a sudden loss of their shares so they are prepared for it.
So no, that decision is just a lack of morals & greed. Now that they have affirmed their commitment back in August 2022, they'll have to cooperate, provide technical support, spare parts, etc. which means untouchable by sanctions guaranteeing a tremendous profit for russia (60% of share) on the long term.
JonoNexus t1_j25hs3m wrote
Ok, this is a more interesting take. I didn't know that. Then I'd probably agree with the general sentiment.
The only part I'm not 100% on is about public transport. In my country, the oil shortage isn't a problem because of transport prices but because energy bills have quadrupled (or more even). I think if they ended up getting oil from Russia to lower the prices for average folks, then I wouldn't condemn them.
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Yelmel t1_j24u063 wrote
No it does not depend how you frame it. You're talking about motive. Motive is moot to the comment:
> Japan carries Ukrainian blood on their hands by purchasing Russian crude.
All of the above is true no matter why they do it.
JonoNexus t1_j24x9m7 wrote
I think the comment is inherently a moral condemnation. I mean, they don't literally have blood on their hands. At that point I think the motive is relevant to their actions. I dont see what the point is of saying someone has blood on their hands otherwise.
Yelmel t1_j252mty wrote
To establish collusion.
JonoNexus t1_j256zhb wrote
So Japan is colluding with the Russians against Ukraine, by buying (necessary) oil from them?
Cenom t1_j285u0z wrote
If you ever buy any oil you are probably having some blood at your hands
Emperor_Zar t1_j2bksqg wrote
Well… shit.
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