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NorthernGamer71 t1_j21o3df wrote

Yeah great, shouldn’t he be in jail already?

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krtshv t1_j22arpz wrote

He's still in court proceedings. But his coalition members are trying to push for a new law that bans any proceedings or investigations against an acting PM to prevent this exact thing from happening.

And it doesn't help that another new proposed law puts one of his coalition members in direct control of the police and which cases they investigate.

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[deleted] t1_j22ek7q wrote

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ripvannwinkler t1_j22gmpk wrote

It's been my observation that an overwhelming majority of beliefs are born of coercion, not reflection and understanding. People believe what they're told to believe by friends, family, politicians, evidence be damned.

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mikeymumbelz t1_j22ymqw wrote

Israel is the product of conflict of the worst kind.

It's a state founded by refugees who saw and suffered some of the worst atrocities in humanity. It's a state which has been routinely threatened and attacked by its neighbors. It's a state which is constantly being told it has to validate its own existence and the defense of its own people while the rest of the world takes that for granted.

It's easy to brand the entire country as "a bunch of fascists" but the reality is Israel doesn't exist in a vacuum. The state was molded by the actions of the world as a whole.

Had Israel's neighbors had the mentality of Finland or Sweden, they would have turned out more like Finland or Sweden.

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I_Am_Become_Dream t1_j23dsqq wrote

It’s a state founded with the ethnic cleansing of the non-Jewish native population.

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mikeymumbelz t1_j23e7hb wrote

The State of Israel is the RESULT of ethnic cleansing.

I hate to break this to you but the Arab/Muslim world purged their countries of their Jews after the Israelis won the independence war.

I'm asking you this genuinely. Where did you think the Jews were going to go after the Arab/Muslim world kicked them out?

The end result of that was obvious. They left Iraq, they left Lebanon, they left Syria, they left Egypt, they left Jordan, they left all of these countries with no citizenship anywhere else so they all collected in the State of Israel.

A state where they knew they'd be safe because they made up the population.

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I_Am_Become_Dream t1_j23iicq wrote

This is ridiculous. The expelling of Jews from Arab countries, while terrible, happened after the establishment of Israel and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. You can’t a posteriori justify ethnic cleansing. You can’t justify ethnic cleansing period.

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mikeymumbelz t1_j23j1tv wrote

So you're saying "revenge based" ethnic cleansings are acceptable? Because that's a pretty fucked position to take if you're being serious.

If you're saying it's acceptable to target Jews who have nothing to do with Israel over the things that Israel does or did, you're validating the argument about anti-zionism being rooted in antisemitism.

As to your point:

The original ethnic cleansings that occurred in Israel were two-fold.

The first was the Jordanians telling the Palestinians to get out and promising them they could return once the war had been won. The Palestinians left but the Jordanians (and the rest of the Arab forces) lost the war.

The second was the original conflict between the Arabs and Jews living in Mandatory Palestine.

When the British endorsed the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Mandatory Palestine and when the UN endorsed the partition plan to end the conflict, the Jews accepted and the Arabs rejected it.

You can't start a war, get pushed out by the conflict, then claim that you are the victim because you tried to kill off an entire ethnic group and lost.

That doesn't work.

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dzhastin t1_j22zqhd wrote

It’s also the product of having an enormous number of immigrants from the ex-Soviet Union. No offense to Russians, but they’re not exactly known for their appreciation of civil society and democratic values.

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mikeymumbelz t1_j231dak wrote

Soviet citizens only really started making Aliyah back during the 1970s. Even then, it was extremely limited as the bulk didn't start going until 1991.

The fact of the matter is the bulk of soviet Jews came after the USSR fell. This was long after various wars and policies had already been in place.

>No offense to Russians, but they’re not exactly known for their appreciation of civil society and democratic values.

That's kind of a weird statement to make considering they didn't vote for their leadership. The USSR was a totalitarian super-state. You either went along with the party line or you got sent to the gulag.

People didn't vote Stalin or the others into power. They came to power through brute force and held that power through the same brute force.

Blaming Russians for the circumstances of the government they were born into is nonsense.

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dzhastin t1_j235op0 wrote

Nobody’s blaming anybody for anything, but you can’t deny that people coming from an authoritarian environment with no concept of civil society might have different values. The way that Israel has rapidly lurched to the right since after the Russians started coming en masse can’t be an entire coincidence can it?

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mikeymumbelz t1_j237aqg wrote

You can't deny that decades of conflict targeting Israel doesn't impact mindsets.

They're a refugee state which is founded by people who escaped war and came to a country which was under perpetual conflict for much of its existence.

People from any walk of life will eventually grow into a more defensive-minded people when they're constantly having to be ready for the next conflict.

This isn't specific to Russians. This isn't specific to Germans. This isn't specific to anyone. It's just what bad life situations can do to a person.

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grapehelium t1_j23c3jz wrote

(cheek in tongue)

well, when the opposition to the right wing party is called "labor", I don't think the newly minted Russian Israelis cared what labors positions were. They would vote anything but labor

now a bit more seriously.....

this is also about the time of the Oslo accords which saw regular, horrific terrorist attacks against Israel. With no peace on the horizon, Israelis grew disillusioned with the idea that the palestinians wanted to have peaceful relations.

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GSNadav t1_j23sswe wrote

bro you are just bullshitting without having a clue, most ex-soviets in Israel are voting Yisrael Beitenu which opposes Netanyahu. They don't have much power at all. This has nothing to do with Russia.

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pantie_fa t1_j22l720 wrote

Y'all ever read the Bible? Old Testament?

Pretty much every major nation in the region has been for hard core fascism for basically the last 8000+ years. (notable exception being Greece). The 19th-20th century has been a mere blip by comparison, though I hope liberal democracy is here to stay, and wasn't a dead end.

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2Nails t1_j233jqh wrote

Some cities in Greece definitely ticked a numbers of boxes from the fascist list.

Sparta was insanely eugenicist for instance.

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EZe_Holey3-9 t1_j2392za wrote

So successfully Trumped. Fuck Netenyahu! Why can’t death ever take these assholes?!

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LeRetardataire t1_j21rnyb wrote

Netanyahu's the real terrorist here.

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yoyo456 t1_j231sxv wrote

Really? Not the one who said and I'll quote with my own translation "Just like how we got to his [Rabin's] car, well get to him too" while holding the emblem from Rabin's car on national TV, just months before his assassination?

Netanyahu isn't a terrorist, he is an authoritarian who will do anything to stay in power, including justifying terror. But don't be fooled. His number one priority is to stay in power and he'll stop at nothing to do it.

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sharptackinmybutt t1_j21qc29 wrote

I wonder if we'll see an exodus of moderate Israelis out of the country. A lot of people have dual citizenship.

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yoyo456 t1_j232y03 wrote

Many moderate Israeli Jews thought about it, but there was a push to actually stay in order to vote them out in the next elections. If you move out of Israel, you don't get to vote anymore (unless your a diplomat). Meanwhile I saw yesterday that hundreds of Hareidim in Israel were looking to form a new Jewish community in Cyprus and move away due to high costs of living in Israel, and the short distance to Cyprus with frequent and cheap flights back.

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Auslanderjack t1_j272rqu wrote

They can go to Cyprus and live there with all the bloody Russians, sorry Cyprus but good riddance

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jews4beer t1_j22wb26 wrote

Real talk - where would they go? A lot of those people (myself included) have that dual citizenship out of fear of eventually needing an alternative to their birth country.

I really hope this coalition crumbles

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flukshun t1_j22wp5h wrote

Following Putin to hell

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mtarascio t1_j21mgr2 wrote

Voters need to be like a jury with no name recognition.

This is getting ridiculous.

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Able_Golf_7301 t1_j22kiv7 wrote

So, how long before there is another election? Three months?

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designer_of_drugs t1_j23ej1t wrote

This dude has been in and out of Israeli politics since I was in 7th grade (at least - that’s when I remember becoming aware of him.) I’m 39 now.

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Fhujeth t1_j23o0jr wrote

Fucking assholes is making a fool of the Jewish people, he and his cronies. He is making a horrible impression of our marginalized group on the ignorant.

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