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derKestrel t1_j1ahivq wrote

Reply to comment by strontiumdogs in Canada moves to mandate electric vehicle sales starting in 2026 by rentalfloss

Electric buses, trams and bikes.

If you live in a high rise, at least here, you are in the inner city and have your choice of bus, tram bike or even walk.

Most of my colleagues live in the inner city and have commutes under 10km and do not use their cars, if they even own one. And money is not the issue for them (work is related to legal matters). And while I do own a car, I drive less than 5k km per year with it, most of this to visit family about 600km away. I don't use it to commute.

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strontiumdogs t1_j1aitb4 wrote

Lucky you. Unfortunately I live in a high rise 30km from work. As do thousands more. Believe me I'd love EV to be practical for all vehicle users. I just don't believe we are ready yet to enforce a doctrine for everyone. I know they say for new cars but they just make it impossible to get older cars through emissions checks etc. Anyone on a low income may never be able to afford an EV. What do they do. Get priced out of travel. Plus few places have cheap public transport.

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derKestrel t1_j1cn12l wrote

And because your country favoured individual traffic, you cannot get around without a car. I do understand that.

My personal experience is limited to certain regions of Germany, France, The Netherlands, Japan, and China, all of which had more or less comfortable connections for public transport from high rise areas to working places.

But you might also have noticed that the demand is for a percentage of new sales to be EV, so not a hard cut off. There will be pressure to enable public transport and to build cheaper or different personnel transport solutions.

Your argumentation, while probably 100% valid now in your case, is ignoring the pressures on society this law will cause. Our way of living has to change, but we will have to see how well we deal with the change.

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strontiumdogs t1_j1cnz98 wrote

Well put. Let's hope governments are willing and able to invest in the public transport required. However as a person of age, I find public transport good to a point. I start work at 4 am when there is no public transport what so ever. Also it's not great for things like shopping and moving my family around. I'd love to be environmentally sound, but the way life in general is set up it needs more evolutionary time or huge investment. Which I'm not sure government or people in general can provide quickly.

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derKestrel t1_j1cqlfk wrote

One of the many problems is that we have been pushing the problem in front of us for so long, while it becomes just more and more urgent and almost exponentially more expensive the longer we wait.

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MidianFootbridge69 t1_j1aw24o wrote

>Anyone on a low income may never be able to afford an EV. What do they do. Get priced out of travel. Plus few places have cheap public transport.

Exactly.

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swordfish1221 t1_j1apdx2 wrote

Idk taking a bike in -40 blizzard doesn’t sound fun.

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derKestrel t1_j1cn5eq wrote

My experience is limited to Germany, The Netherlands, Japan, China and France, only down to -10 Celsius.

Biking in the snow is never a good solution, unless you have spikes.

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MidianFootbridge69 t1_j1avrhc wrote

There is also the issue of those of us that live in Rural Areas in high rise Buildings.

Our Public Transportation sucks (runs from 6am-6pm) and doesn't frequently go out of Town.

No Commuter Rail.

Riding a Bike can be dangerous around here too, lol and Disabled People will have a tough time walking to and fro (if they can walk at all).

There are a lot more variations of that theme.

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derKestrel t1_j1cno5g wrote

That is a major failure of city planning.

A law introducing electric transport by rising percentages will definitely put pressure for change on the situation. Here's to hope for better connections for you.

In the regions of China, Japan, Germany, Netherlands and France I have lived in, High Rise areas were always connected at least somewhat decently.

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