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zomgbratto t1_j1hi2fz wrote

They really wanted Bakhmut so bad that they're willing to throw all their best chips in this gamble. However, unlike Severodonetsk and Lysychansk, this time they're facing fortified positions that has been in place since 2014 and with an Ukrainian military far better equipped than they were in June. Even if they did capture Bakhmut, they will be so drained that by spring, the Ukrainians will steamroll them in the eastern oblasts.

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UncleBenji t1_j1ifqu8 wrote

Bakhmut isn’t even important but the Wagner’s have made it their job to capture it.

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Rogermcfarley t1_j1iw8rz wrote

They've levelled the place so they'll just capture a lost city. Complete waste of time and resources for the Russians.

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UncleBenji t1_j1ix60c wrote

Exactly but Ukraine can’t afford to let them capture it and use that area as a spearhead to push into Ukraine again. As long as the Wagner’s keep throwing bodies at it, Bakhmut will continue to be a blood bath.

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scummy_shower_stall t1_j1jypq8 wrote

It’s higher ground literally. So yes, it does have strategic value unfortunately.

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ReneDeGames t1_j1l8kqx wrote

Only in a local sense, most of the value of taking it is the ability to then attack a pair of larger cites deeper within Ukraine, but as you may notice, if you struggling to take a small village, you will have an even harder time taking larger cities, with even worse supply lines.

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Aurora_Fatalis t1_j1kdn8y wrote

> we aren't fighting with arrows anymore

We are, however, still fighting with javelins.

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scummy_shower_stall t1_j1k6j04 wrote

True on the arrows, lol! But there have been some very good analyses on why Bakhmut is important, having to do with logistics. I also remember that if Ukraine falls back, it is a pretty sizable loss of territory which would make it that much harder to win back.

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jpbarber414 t1_j1hl5lm wrote

Do they even have a best chip left?

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aprimeproblem t1_j1hw3n0 wrote

Good, they are concentrated, wipe them out, all of them…..

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cencorshipisbad t1_j1hl3u2 wrote

A bit disingenuous to call them the most capable since they are assaulting an objective with relatively little military value to generate support for their leader‘s political aspirations.

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A-Chntrd t1_j1iccjn wrote

They could still be the most capable… that they have left.

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xSaRgED t1_j1idv5b wrote

Yeah I mean the VDV and the highly trained Wagner guys must be wiped out at this point.

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A-Chntrd t1_j1iex6o wrote

Considering they had the brilliant idea to send the few instructors they had to the frontline back in… what, April ? Yeah, it’s probably safe to assume they’re a bit low on professional, trained and motivated troops.

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autotldr t1_j1hhvn1 wrote

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 60%. (I'm a bot)

> Due to the fact that Ukraine's Armed Forces destroyed two large munitions depots in Kadiivka and Irmino at the end of the week, the use of Russian artillery, which is concentrated around Bakhmut, significantly decreased.

> At the same time, the military notes that it was near Bakhmut that the occupying Russian forces for the first time during the war began to outnumber the Ukrainian troops in drones and thermal imaging, which enabled them to conduct successful night attacks in open terrain.

> From the east, the enemy began to destroy private buildings on the left bank of the Bakhmutivka River the Ukrainian Defense Forces conducted successful counterattacks and partially drove the Russian enemy away from the residential buildings into the industrial area.

Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Forces^#1 Russian^#2 Bakhmut^#3 enemy^#4 destroy^#5

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kidmargin t1_j1hhvug wrote

This seems to be another consistent strategic blunder on the part of the Invaders. Just gives the ukrainians plenty of opportunity to liquidate them before resuming offensive actions.

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markedbeamazed t1_j1hpgqo wrote

Now the Ukrainians will know where to concentrate their missile fire.

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beaverenthusiast t1_j1j9qbl wrote

Anybody else feel kind of disgusted with the YouTube video in the article? For some reason it feels like sports coverage to me...

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Casbah207 t1_j1l63a4 wrote

I can understand that, but I also understand why this information is produced the way it is. Covering it as a sports game makes it easier for the average non up to date individual catch up.

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shellofbiomatter t1_j1hhatt wrote

Dream on.

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[deleted] t1_j1hhncn wrote

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DirkDiggyBong t1_j1hiba4 wrote

>coward zelensky

He's on the frontline while Putin is cancelling public events in Russia because he's such a little bitch.

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DarkWebLurking t1_j1hpppz wrote

Sounds like you ate the "propaganda apple" to believe and say dumb shit like this. Russia will lose.

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GrumpyBearBank t1_j1ihll9 wrote

You talk like you are brainwashed.

Not even what you are saying, just how you are saying it.

It’s wild.

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mcsnoogins t1_j1i3jen wrote

You talk like you wear sandals. Cunt.

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Psychoticist t1_j1i7wck wrote

Sandals? What do you have against them? Or am I missing some subtext?

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mcsnoogins t1_j1i8j2f wrote

I don't like sand, or beaches, sandals remind me of all of them.

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Ramental t1_j1hql89 wrote

I remember Russians saying "Bakhmut by September", "Bakhmut by October", "Bakhmut by November". December was skipped, it seemed.

And now it's "by January" again.

- from the authors of cult hits "Kyiv in 3 days" and "Ukraine will fall in 2 weeks"

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Nolsoth t1_j1i75gj wrote

When the war started I genuinely believed Ukraine was fucked, im glad I was wrong.

But Ukraine's has a hard long road ahead and I'm concerned Putlers going to start escalating shit soon with less conventional means.

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Ubilease t1_j1j110u wrote

Less conventional means? You think he is going to start nuking people? Because he used up everything else. And if nukes start flying he is dead.

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Nolsoth t1_j1k1zc2 wrote

They have other toys than nukes, biological and chemical.

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Substantial-East5781 t1_j1hhva8 wrote

yes yes yes 🤣🤣🤣 you have already been at bakhmut since August (it will already be 5 months)

What new year? New year 2056?

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TerribleGramber_Nazi t1_j1i8ytw wrote

I hope you get drafted so you can learn what reality is first hand as the mirage created by Russian’s propaganda is eroded

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DirkDiggyBong t1_j1hi8k7 wrote

Russia has shown the world how bad it's army is.

Paper tiger.

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A-Chntrd t1_j1icl6l wrote

They’ve been trying for eight years, now… should I be impressed, or condescending ? 🤔

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