Viewing a single comment thread. View all comments

st3ll4r-wind t1_j1jr63w wrote

Crazy that the Mayans are still around.

345

The_Weirdest_Cunt t1_j1k87l5 wrote

You seen the new black panther movie? Apparently the Mayans just turned into fish people

197

Rosebunse t1_j1kdlu2 wrote

One of the weirder controversies around the new Black Panther film is that, apparently, the guy they got to play Namor looks too, well, non-white for certain South American audiences.

78

Kazumadesu76 t1_j1km14x wrote

Were they hoping he'd be conquistador colored?

64

Rosebunse t1_j1kn8hk wrote

Basically, yeah. The Mexican film industry has a major problem with colorism.

59

onFilm t1_j1m9itd wrote

Include Latin America in there too.

13

borilo9 t1_j1l888e wrote

We just don't take kindly to being cheaply pandered to

−28

fingerpaintswithpoop t1_j1ljad8 wrote

Define “pandering.”

10

Lord_Shisui t1_j1ljs60 wrote

pandering

>gratify or indulge (an immoral or distasteful desire or taste or a person with such a desire or taste). "newspapers are pandering to people's baser instincts"

−10

MetaBotch t1_j1knjoj wrote

Considering he had no Spanish ancestry he should look more indigenous.

45

Rosebunse t1_j1kp9yv wrote

Well, yes, that makes sense. Of course he is going to look non-European. But, again, the South American film industry has a problem with colorism. Frankly, I think he looks like a snack.

37

Bringbackdexter t1_j1r9yz4 wrote

Not to sound rude but why does it matter? Isn’t it true that much of South America is predominantly indigenous anyway? So it would seem that the only people who have an issue are the non-indigenous European South Americans.

1

Rosebunse t1_j1rh7pg wrote

Racism is something which can still effect people, especially in larger cities where there are fewer indigenous people.

2

ProjectBadass- t1_j1kwlqo wrote

I'm not sure if you're being facetious but there are a lot of white, European descended South Americans.

0

MedicalFoundation149 t1_j1n3aca wrote

There are, but Namor and his people would not be since since they are of purely pre-Columbian Mayans that cut themselves off from the outside world and thus didn't have the introduction of European genes that the rest of the Americas would receive over the next few centuries.

5

Leodan15 t1_j1m1urf wrote

Only the media didn’t like it. The audience (in Mexico) loved Tenoch playing a lead in a marvel movie.

10

Rosebunse t1_j1kdh6e wrote

I knew a few people in high school who still identify as Mayan. They were originally from Mexico, but they were from a region where it was pretty common.

35

TrippiesAngeldust t1_j1lloyz wrote

everyone i know who identifies as mayan speaks mam. (from the quetzaltenango and huehuetenango departments) i think it's so cool, especially when teaching siblings or cousins, they'll just switch over to their language/dialect in arguments and private conversations and nobody can understand them. were your classmates from chiapas? did any of them speak a dialect as well?

10

Dusk_v731 t1_j1l9zyo wrote

I was in Guatemala just last month, up north visiting Tikal and was completely unable to converse with our cab driver as he was speaking a mix of Spanish and Mayan. A member of our group spoke Spanish, but she could only understand bits and pieces of what was being said.

23

ed190 t1_j1lblv4 wrote

I’m from El Salvador and tikal is amazing. There are many Guatemalans that identify as Mayan descendants

16

Dangerous_Shirt9593 t1_j1lvoyc wrote

I visited Tikal just before Star Wars came out. For me it was mind blowing. There is a pyramid you could whisper on top and hear it clearly on the bottom. There was also modern graffiti in the temples. I am not sure if you are still allowed to climb the pyramids but if you are it is a must see

6

megalon43 t1_j1kcmmp wrote

Yeah, I thought they all went extinct in 2012.

14

danfish_77 t1_j1kfwmf wrote

What you think the civilization declined and all the people died out? Wait until you hear about the Chinese, Indians, Romans, Greeks, Persians, Mesopotamians, and Egyptians, then...

8

Swampberry t1_j1pmbps wrote

Romans and Mesopotamians aren't exactly people groups still around.

1

danfish_77 t1_j1qnajy wrote

Their descendants are, though, which is what I was getting at

1

Chicago1871 t1_j1m2kr2 wrote

My one my uncles from marriage speaks maya fluently with his family. Its pretty neat.

2

acesilver1 t1_j1mq2qe wrote

They never went away. They’re the indigenous people of Guatemala, southern Mexico, etc. same with the indigenous of the US and the indigenous of the Andes descended from the Inca. What doesn’t exist anymore is an independent Mayan civilization or country/city state. But they never went extinct or were intermixed with non-native Americans. There are some indigenous groups from Latin America that have functionally gone extinct either through excess intermixing with the colonizers who came to their land or by dying through disease and conquest. An example is the Taino people of the Caribbean. Their descendants have some Taino ancestry but it’s mostly mixed with African and European and not many, if any, genetically homogenous Taino exist.

2

Swampberry t1_j1pmife wrote

>There are some indigenous groups from Latin America that have functionally gone extinct either through excess intermixing with the colonizers who came to their land

You're kinda making it sound like those people claiming immigration leads to genocide simply by people becoming "excessively mixed".

0

acesilver1 t1_j1pw339 wrote

What the Europeans did to indigenous American groups during the age of colonization was, in essence, genocide. Stealing land, toppling civilizations, conquest through guns and disease, forced conversions, mass killings… it was not simply “immigration” lol

And yes, intermixing between oppressive colonizing cultures and native cultures tends to lead to the erasure of native cultures.

1