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Pilantrologo t1_j2amdwi wrote

There's such an abyss between the current and the next government.

What is essentially a kakistocracy, will soon be replaced by a functioning, near-meritocratic government.

I thank every single Brazilian citizen who contributed for this outcome. The light at the end of the tunnel is so very close now.

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Biscoito_Gatinho t1_j2avda3 wrote

A lot of competent women too. Love to see it 🥺😭🥰

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Pilantrologo t1_j2awocp wrote

In key positions/areas nonetheless! Sports, Environment, Development, Culture, Banco do Brasil...

Chapeau, really.

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Orsick t1_j2d3eb0 wrote

Lol, Lula's ministers are far from meritocratic, it's mostly political nominations.

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Pilantrologo t1_j2d5ipf wrote

Ok. Care to point to nominated people who are not qualified for the job ?

Edit : To those who find annoying asking a redditor to back his statement : Grow up.

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ThiagoBaisch t1_j2d66rz wrote

yes, the son of Renan Calheiros for example.

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Pilantrologo t1_j2d6rh6 wrote

I'll give you that one...

However, it would appear that the road network in Alagoas has improved significantly during his term as governor.

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ThaneKyrell t1_j2d91er wrote

Also Haddad, Alckmin, Tebet... like, virtually all ministers in important positions are appointees. Which, to be fair, is ok. Virtually any president needs support from Congress. But don't pretend like most of Lula's future ministers aren't there because of politics.

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pauloh1998 t1_j2df0sn wrote

Haddad actually has a Master's Degree in Economics, so he's not that far away from his position.

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Orsick t1_j2dcsez wrote

Luciana Santos - science and technology - career politician condemned for administrative dishonest, but she's from PCdoB.

Geraldo Alckmin - he might've been better in other positions.

Tebet - planning - Carter politician being paid for the support in the second roun

Renan filho??? - transport - come on

Jader filho - Cities - it's even hard to find something about him other than his filliantion to MDB

Juscelino Filho - communication - never even hold a secretary position in his career, but hey Lula need some pull with centrão ( btw this guy's voted for Filma impeachment and against Temer's investigation)

Daniela do Waguinho - tourism - a very short political carreta, she as secretary of something completely unrelated to tourism for a year though.

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ThaneKyrell t1_j2d8xan wrote

This is not true at all. Most of Lula's ministers are political appointees. To be clear: I voted for Lula, and having ministers by chosen by politics is fairly common here, and important to make sure that Lula can govern with support from Congress. But let's not pretend like all ministers are there because of merit. Haddad, Alckmin, Renan Filho, Tebet and the ministers from União Brasil for example... they are there because of politics. Not because they are the best choices

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Pilantrologo t1_j2dcsgk wrote

> they are there because of politics. Not because they are the best choices

And I never said they were the best choices. Meritocracy isn't about nominating the crème de la crème from each area. It's about choice based on achievement and ability.

Of course politics play a role. But what is about to happen is far, pretty fucking far from what Bolsonaro did to the Ministries of Foreign Affairs, Family, Education and Environment, just to name a few.

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ThaneKyrell t1_j2dk0l0 wrote

I agree that his ministers are WAY better than Bolsonaro's ministers. However, they are not the best possible choices, and some of them are outright bad. Let's not pretend like Lula has only chosen the best. Haddad for example is a terrible name for the economics minister, and he was only chosen because Lula and the Worker's Party wants him as a successor. Most economists didn't like him being chosen at all (personally, I think Haddad should've been education minister)

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Existing_Dot_8981 t1_j2ejis9 wrote

LMAO what a joke! Lula was imprisoned for corruption and his lefty ideology has never worked and is specially damaging in 3rd world countries like Brazil. Americans are clueless about foreign politics

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Pilantrologo t1_j2ex5hi wrote

You might want to delete this. I'm as Brazilian as they come and I know pretty well what I'm talking about.

Did you even bother to check my username?

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lumach68 t1_j2f18r8 wrote

I’m an American, so I won’t pretend to understand the political system in Brazil very well but I wanted to see if he was a downvote karma whore or if he had any penchant for going off about Lula or bad mouthing the US and I’m not sure if he even is Brazilian himself. He posts very frequently in Chilean and Peruvian subreddits, and comments in Spanish and not Portuguese. Funny that he judges Americans for not knowing Brazilian politics when he isn’t even Brazilian himself and also apparently doesn’t know.

Edit: misused a word

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Existing_Dot_8981 t1_j2fc125 wrote

Describe Lulas socialist model and tell me how it will work, considering it has been a complete failure in south america. I have all of those downvotes from lefties like u.

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lumach68 t1_j2fkp1p wrote

I can’t tell you since as I stated in the comment I do not know Brazilian politics and as such did not comment on any of it. I said based on you accusing another Brazilian of being an American, and uninformed, I wanted to see if you were farming downvotes, and was left with what I described above. I’m not saying you’re not Brazilian, as you could be of the 4% of Spanish speaking Brazilians, what I was saying was you were quick to accuse another Brazilian of being “clueless” about their own politics and it seemed likely you were the foreigner making false claims about another’s political system. If I’m wrong then I apologize, if not then you know already.

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Existing_Dot_8981 t1_j2fblq8 wrote

lol if you are brazilian and voted for that corrupt commie, your iq must be sub 70. Have you seen the other countries with the same socialist model. Complete failure, Argentina, Venezuela, Bolivia... use your brain makakito

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Pilantrologo t1_j2fmas5 wrote

Yeah, right... I don't know if you've learned about the economic growth and socioeconomic development Brazil enjoyed during the two presidential terms of Luis Inacio... I'm fairly certain you didn't, and likely don't care.

In any case, you should go out, make some friends, get a companion and do something more productive. Being unkind online won't get you anywhere.

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renato4803 t1_j29t355 wrote

That's pretty damn cool.

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autotldr t1_j29ni3q wrote

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 77%. (I'm a bot)

> RIO DE JANEIRO - Brazil's President-elect Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva announced Thursday that Sônia Guajajara will head up a new Ministry of Indigenous Peoples, with a mandate to oversee policies ranging from land demarcation to health care.

> After the official announcement of her appointment and 15 others in the capital of Brasilia Thursday, several Indigenous organizations, among them the Coordination of the Indigenous Organizations of the Brazilian Amazon, congratulated her in social media for the nomination.

> An organization of officials who work in Indigenous affairs also congratulated the future minister and the Indigenous social movement in general for the nomination.

Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Indigenous^#1 Brazil^#2 Amazon^#3 Guajajara^#4 land^#5

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100dalmations t1_j2cfabc wrote

Now rich countries might consider paying Brazil to preserve and grow its rainforests.

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GeebyYu t1_j2dfktf wrote

Brazilians need to help themselves too in fairness, outside funding can only do so much... Money is a limited resource.

It needs 'protection' in the short term, but it needs education, and jobs in the long term. People clearly turn to illegal logging as its their only source of income, if other jobs can be created and tourism prioritised for the rainforest then we'll see permanent change.

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acmoder t1_j2dg54x wrote

Obrigado Lula!

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Shoopo t1_j2a9x6o wrote

Interesting

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welldurr t1_j2eykyv wrote

Time for Indigenous to take control over the rest of the America's.

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samualtruant t1_j2dm9sa wrote

Isn’t the CIA just going to try and run a coup like always when a global south country leans left

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bumass666 t1_j2al5oh wrote

As long as they’re the most qualified, I don’t think race should ever preface any of these headlines

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dbgzeus t1_j2alw4e wrote

Well, who understands the issues of native people better than native people?

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Darth_Kyofu t1_j2avovg wrote

You'd think a native would be among the most qualified to run the Ministry of Native Peoples, no? Regardless, it's a stupid argument anyway. People of different cultural and ethnic backgrounds bring different life experiences that are important to make sure the government is able to do what is best for everyone in the country, and you're also implying there's no one qualified for the position within an entire race.

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Murghchanay t1_j2b3xeg wrote

It's also a stupid argument, because almost nobody is chosen on merit alone. Just go through all the white people in the Trump administration (and almost all other administrations). Did their race not play a role?

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bumass666 t1_j2bjbei wrote

Yeah an indigenous person is obviously the best fit for this role. No, I’m not implying that there’s no one qualified in any given race. I just think there is too much emphasis on it generally

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Unosez t1_j2brbgb wrote

And many would disagree with that.. You don't fix centuries of systemic inequality based on race or gender sexual choice etc.. By saying we're all super equal now.. Now humans will just get what they deserve by the work they do..

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stanglemeir t1_j2dqvk5 wrote

I’d say it depends. If there are two people with similar qualifications, the Native Person would obviously be the more qualified due to their personal experience. But a non-native could be more qualified than an individual native person.

In the USA a good example of a bad choice was Ben Carson for Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. A disproportionate number of people in government housing are minorities and Ben Carson lived in government housing as a child and is a minority.

But Ben Carson was a surgeon. And not at all qualified to be in his position. He did a very middling job. Not terrible but obviously a better person could have been chosen. It was very obvious that his appointment was done because Trump wanted to throw Carson a bone for his support.

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millijuna t1_j2egd6m wrote

Actually, in Canada, the equivalent role is generally not filled by an indigenous person. Why? Because it wouldn’t be fair to have a First Nations person negotiate against their own people on behalf of the crown. It would put them an untenable conflict of interest.

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renaum t1_j2coqxi wrote

People least affected by racism hate being reminded racism exists

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HolIerer t1_j2c5uny wrote

It’s important. It tells indigenous kids that they can aspire to such things, and it breaks stereotypes about Indigenous people for the mainstream population.

Visibility of these things isn’t racist: it’s important because the status quo is one of race-based disadvantage.

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mangledmonkey t1_j2bb36x wrote

Well, neither 'indigenous' nor 'woman' are part of any race. So, this headline passes your preferential needs in this instance.

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sumpfkraut666 t1_j2cz3pl wrote

'Indigenous' is an ethnic background, that is specifically what is colloqually refered to as "race" if (and only if) you are not a racist.

For actual old-school racists who adhere to the long disproven "race theory", 'indigenous to brazil' is not a race.

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mangledmonkey t1_j2d1hu0 wrote

Well, you can hold that understanding regardless of how correct or incorrect it is. And to imply someone is 'old school racist' because someone says a word is not indicative of a single race, is a bit outside of the comment I made.

Indigenous peoples are defined as a place-based ethnic culture wherein the people have not migrated from their homeland.

For instance, for indigenous peoples in island nations across the south east asian archipelago, are they all different 'races'? Since they're broadly distributed, wouldn't we need to distinguish them by distinct races? We don't. Not outside of context anyways. Sure, people incorrectly use 'indigenous' as a minority racial classification in areas where there are a large group of what a nation may consider it's indigenous peoples. But, if I happen to be an indigenous person from Africa and the classification is for something like a job application, there's not a checkbox for 'indigenous to what region' because they assume Native America/American Indian since it's the primary 'indigenous' ethnic group (not racial group) we take into account in the US. And that is different in each nation depending on it's people because indigenous is a location and ethnic/cultural based word, not race.

It would be pretty hard pressed to argue that. How about in Africa with the hundreds of indigenous tribes? Are they different races now too? They all come from distinct areas on the continent and often are isolated to the point that interaction with one-another may never have occurred. Indigenous doesn't mean race, even if you want it to. It's location and culture based, it definitely has correlation with a racial groups, but it isn't the same definition. At least, this is my understanding. Not really a specialty of mine, I just thought it was a somewhat funny/snarky reply not really intended to spark a debate or even discredit the other commenter's comment.

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sumpfkraut666 t1_j2d5bfv wrote

> For instance, for indigenous peoples in island nations across the south east asian archipelago, are they all different 'races'?

If they developed cultural differences, yes. The biological concept of 'race' really isn't applicable to humans, so the modern understanding is that a distinct cultural heritage can suffice to be considered a distinct ethnicity.

The situation in Africa is pretty much the same: there are hundreds of different 'indigenous' ethnicites. 'Indigenous' obviously isn't an ethnicity but it describes one without naming it. There is also a history of ethnic violence between those groups going on to this day.

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mangledmonkey t1_j2dciac wrote

Ah, I see. You don't actually understand the differences between a race, culture, or ethnicity. Jere is a light overview:

  1. Race is ONLY applicable to humans. It's just a social classification, not actually a scientific designation in any way shape or form.
  2. Culture is a collective set of a group of people's customs, arts, achievements, traditions, etc.
  3. Ethnicity is a quality of belonging to a group who share a culture.

Again, none of these are the same as being indigenous, even though there is a lot of cross over since indigenous peoples (in a specific area) usually are of one race, may share a common culture (or set of cultures), and arguably may be of the same ethnic group.

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Stensi24 t1_j2cey2m wrote

Why do I only see comments like this when it’s not a caucasian man?

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KiloPCT t1_j2d1p9r wrote

Because when it's a caucasian man their race and gender aren't prominently splashed across the headlines?

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