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[deleted] t1_j1kgb5g wrote
Reply to comment by domestication_never in Struggling to afford heating bills, Britons turn to 'warm banks' to keep out the cold by rein_deer7
Heat pumps don’t generate enough heat to be suitable for anything but new build properties - they need underfloor heating to allow a low heat level over a larger area to achieve a comfortable temperature - they are not a feasible replacement for gas in existing properties.
domestication_never t1_j1khbh6 wrote
I have one on a 1950 wood house that just survived a winter storm, keeping it toasty 20c inside
[deleted] t1_j1kit7g wrote
Good for you. Most older U.K. houses are one brick thick (zero cavity) houses which are by their nature thermally dense. Thermally dense houses work by having the heating first heat the fabric of the house which then retains the warmth and radiates it back into the living space. It’s exactly the same principle as early man building structures from large rocks and having large fire pits within them - they didn’t choose large stones for shits and giggles. Heat exchangers don’t generate enough heat to heat the fabric of thermally dense buildings, nor are traditionally built U.K. houses readily suitable for additional insulation - you’re taking dry lining with insulated plasterboard to achieve ‘meh’ level benefits
domestication_never t1_j1kl3xk wrote
Plenty of brick houses here have heat pumps. This 1950s house is matchsticks and cardboard. It's got the insulative properties of wet shorts in a stiff winter breeze straight to the testies.
It has "aux heat" a very powerful resitive heater it'll use from time to time. Usually for about 10-20 mins a day. That costs significant money. The rest of the time it cost as much as an aircon to run. Which, coincidentally it also is for summer time.
[deleted] t1_j1kmcus wrote
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Drackar39 t1_j1kho6v wrote
If your structure is completely uninsulated, and it's several degrees bellow freezing, sure, you won't be super warm.
But it's the most energy efficient option, even if it's not the only heat source. It's a viable way to drastically lower energy use from other means.
[deleted] t1_j1kj3if wrote
And that’s current renewables summed up in one post - it’s an extra over = it isn’t enough by itself
Edit to add: it also sums up renewables in the U.K. as a whole. We’ve invested massively in wind power capacity, but the reliability of its output is distinctly meh. Many days it’s tootling along at a few percentage of it’s claimed capacity. But I doubt you, me, or aunty Jan care about that when we want to boil the kettle - we want power and we want it now. The grid recognises that so it keeps gas plants online, however, they’re not permitted to operate efficiently and generating the most efficient amount of power they can for the grid, nope, they’re kept tootling along as back up to the green wind energy ready to pick up the slack when the massive supposed capacity of wind generation invariably comes in at a few percent of claimed capacity. Gas plants operating below capactiy are inefficient and therefor expensive - so it’s uncanny that the cost to consumer of electricity across the board, regardless of where it was derived, is based on the cost of electricity generated by gas….
Drackar39 t1_j1kldu0 wrote
I mean sure, energy efficient devices are designed to work with energy efficient homes.
If you don't want to bother "making your house suck less" just throw a unit aimed at a larger structure at your home.
[deleted] t1_j1kmwh6 wrote
It won’t work - ground source heat pumps are subject to the amount of land available and over an extended time period are subject to a diminishing rate of return. As for air sourced… I used to be a facilities manager for a national retailer and the number of noise complaints we’d receive in respect of AC and refrigeration plant would make your eyes water. What do you think the reaction would be to thousands of air sourced heat pumps being installed in a neighbourhood?
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