Submitted by DoremusJessup t3_zv7fsw in worldnews
India is my birth country. It is sad that it is now considered only "partly free" by Freedom House because of the actions of the current government in power.
Do you live here, I don't see how India is below many other countries.
Edit: Women doesn't even have right to their own body but US is above India, how? Must have been supplemented because of freedom to buy a gun and shoot at schools and public. What about people of colour being unfairly treated or killed?
Hmm, is it that only country that are 1st world developed giving funds to this organization are regarded as free. Every community votes in India, even at the remotest of the place, every non Hindu community got benefits here, poor people get food almost at no cost regardless of their caste or religion.
If US can be there after not allowing women to have rights on their body, I don't see why India also shouldn't be there.
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> Every community votes in India, even at the remotest of the place
You're criticizing a report that you haven't read. The U.S. has a higher score overall, but India is rated slightly better when it comes to political rights.
>Women doesn't even have right to their own body
Attempts to restrict abortion are discussed in the U.S. report, but it didn't affect the score because being able to get the procedure was Constitutionally protected when the analysis was done.
They have released a report for 2022 but the link is for last year's scores going by the events covered in the breakdown. The US's ranking is based on the events of 2021, so the abortion decision hasn't been factored in yet.
I still don't see US being categorised as partly free like India shouldn't be.
And if they aren't categorised as partly free, neither should India.
> Every community votes in India, even at the remotest of the place
You're criticizing a report that you haven't read. The U.S. has a higher score overall, but India is rated slightly better when it comes to political rights.
>Women doesn't even have right to their own body
Attempts to restrict abortion are discussed in the U.S. report, but it didn't affect the score because being able to get the procedure was Constitutionally protected when the analysis was done.
(Edit) The score is based on 2021.
Women are dying and have to move to other states and even countries. This is being constitutionally protected? What??
Read the whole sentence.
>Attempts to restrict abortion are discussed in the U.S. report, but it didn't affect the score because being able to get the procedure was Constitutionally protected when the analysis was done.
Okay, then in next report I'm sure US will be regarded as partly free. Right...... Right?
They they won't be, if they will I'll happily take my L. But if they won't, why should India be called partly free?
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The score will most likely go down. The status doesn't necessarily have to change because abortion isn't the only aspect of freedom, and a majority of women still have access to it.
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Read the whole sentence.
>Attempts to restrict abortion are discussed in the U.S. report, but it didn't affect the score because being able to get the procedure was Constitutionally protected when the analysis was done.
The choice is determined by the state, don’t group all of the US together saying we all said “no rights”, just look at which states protected their rights and which didn’t
I guess US shouldn't be called a country but group of countries.
US IS like EU, just with more central control. A lot of laws differ highly by state.
That is what it is called, United States of America (Union of States, not country)
Why is it termed as a country then?
it is also a country. Iirc, right after the civil war, a group of smaller "countries" decided to become one big country, while holding some of its autonomy, they agreed to become a union of 'states', hence the name, United States of America.
My knowledge in American history is really poor though, there will be some nuances that I definitely am missing. But it is essentially a more tightly packed EU.
This topic is really interesting tbh.
Ah, didn't knew about that. I thought a country's constitution would be above a state's law. It's stupid af. Seems so backwards for a developed nation.
Why didn't they reform this? I'm sure most people will vote in favour of having one set of rules in a country.
No. I currently live in the US. India may be below many countries in the Freedom House ranking but it is at the higher end of being "partly free". Pakistan is also rated "partly free" but it has a much lower number.
https://freedomhouse.org/country/pakistan/freedom-world/2022
Pakistan shouldn't even be partly free, they have annihilated the people of other religion. Army and government controls itself without having anything to check each other. Army being able to trample the government. This is not what freedom is.
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Pakistan's military dictatorship only survives to be a vassal of other powers. These days the US.
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You mean the bulldozers. Right?
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What rights do men have that women don't? Infact i would say women are favoured in India when it comes to judiciary or education (talking about the government not society)
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How is crime against women a democracy problem and not a societal problem? I mean the government is clearly working towards increasing security, providing education and overall working towards upliftment of women.
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Lol you don't even what that law is. Love jihad laws are for forceful conversions of women which is a real problem. You are still allowed to marry whoever you want under special marriage act.
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Are you seriously saying Islam which is famous for forceful conversions is not doing it in India? Are you delusional my friend
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Well there are 100s of speeches by extremists boasting about converting 1000s of Hindus forcefully,
Also even if you think it is a conspiracy theory, still it's not undemocratic since it only affects people who will comitte forceful conversions which is infact wrong and should be punishable
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Just answer this, should forced conversion be legal or illegal
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Let me ask you this, is love jihad law for individual cases of mass forced conversions?
Even if there is 1 person being converted should they not have any rights?
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How is this moving the goal post, you were the one doing it after you used the word mass conversions.
Here is a case with 291 conversions https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/507-arrested-in-291-cases-of-forced-conversions-in-up-in-2-years-report-3531715
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Conveniently ignoring the other two cases of love jihad and to what extent these people are willing to go to.
Maybe if you read further into that article you will realise around 57 people have come out saying they were forcefully converted to islam. Let's just assume they are all lying.
I was giving an example as people are are boasting about mass conversions it won't be unusual for extremist to try and convert people by any means. I in no way insunuated that there are cases of mass conversions in India yet I found a few cases vy a simple Google search.
Indian government doesn't underreport crimes against women, it is a societal problem. Women are afraid or are forced by the society to think that they are less of human being if they get raped.
Underreporting of rape cases against women is not exclusive to India. Over 80% of the cases go unreported in the US the free world. Yes, two wrongs don't make it right. But is not a problem with democracy but society.
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Says who?
India is more of a democracy than the two party political theatre the US has.
TBH, nobody in India gives a $hit about what some dumb org claims. Indians are highly favorable of the current govt and brought them back to power with the highest majority in the last 3 or more decades.
Just naming yourself Fredom House doesn't mean you are objective about your in-house claims.
I bet they would develop different views if they ACTUALLY considered the country asca while as opposed to EVERY LAST ONE OF 1.35 BILLION PEOPLE.
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What's the credibility of the source which considers Indian Kashmir different than India and not integrated part of India? If you are considering it diferrent why not consider Pakistan occupied Kashmir a different county? Because as per UN first Pakistan should remove the military from that part and then India should do it in that order and referendum should take place. You can clearly see some sort of propoganda with this kind of ranking. If it's partly free, why there are several media outlets like quint, the wire, fact check, ndtv, news laundry, etc which freely reports everything against government and not impacted by government in any way. If India is partly free why bjp lost several states election in recent elections. Note that I'm against many things bjp does and not in anyway supporter it but saying India is partly free because of recent government is baseless and plainly false. I'd say change your source and rely on Indian media like "the print" which does pretty fair journalism without any propoganda.
I'm pretty sure the fact they colored Kashmir grey - as in "not rated" - means they didn't include the civil liberties and human rights situation in Kashmir in their overall assessment of India. I can only assume they made that choice because the situation regarding "political rights" and "civil liberties" (the two main metrics in the FreedomHouse ranking) is for obvious reasons significantly worse in Tammu and Kashmir than in the rest of India - due to years of pro-independence insurgency, martial law and other tough countermeasures, like the 2019-2021 Kashmir lockdown, so including the particular situation in Indian-controlled Kashmir in the national assessment would negatively skew the result for the whole of India.
As for the rest of your argument: Putin's "United Russia" party also lost some seats in the 2021 election and until recently, some opposition newspapers and radio stations remained in Russia. It seems Putin was in no rush to get rid of this meak remainder of opposition in his country, as long as his grip on power was never realistically in danger. It was probably a useful figleaf to be pointed to when foreign journalists would address the rapid descent towards authoritarianism and the almost total decline of press freedom in Russia.
But cases like Navalny showed that this tolerance of press freedom and opposition organizations in Russia would end immediately once an organization became dangerous to the regime. First they poisoned Navalny and when by a miracle he survived that, they convicted him on some pretense and sentenced him to years in prison.
2019–2021 Jammu and Kashmir lockdown
>The 2019–2021 Jammu and Kashmir lockdown was an authoritarian lockdown and communications blackout that had been imposed throughout the Indian-administered Jammu and Kashmir following the revocation of Article 370 which lasted until February 2021, with the goal of preemptively curbing unrest, violence and protests. Thousands of civilians, mostly young men, had and have been detained in the crackdown. The Indian government had stated that the tough lockdown measures and substantially increased deployment of security forces had been aimed at curbing terrorism. The government did not want a repeat of the death and injuries seen during the 2016–2017 Kashmir unrest.
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I live in India this is true
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