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prof_atlas t1_j1w20i0 wrote

With Serbia specifically (and a few other countries), I wouldn't be surprised to learn Russia is trying to spark some fires. Desperately looking to get others involved in a losing war.

It's a tricky situation.. stay cool, Serb homies

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JustFinishedBSG t1_j1w93b9 wrote

Russia doesn’t need to stir shit, Serbians are happy to imitate big brother russia all on their own

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Killieboy16 t1_j1whw3n wrote

Yep, Serbia is thinking "Hey, we haven't started a world war in a while..."

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agilecodez t1_j1xgs8g wrote

Also, their gov is distracting the population from domestic issues as per usual.

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Deault t1_j1uu695 wrote

There we go again!

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megakrakkkken t1_j1v14dw wrote

NATO to jump in

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zerefpanda0 t1_j1veazv wrote

Nato is there but the Serbs don't care they do this in their presence .

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Fantastic-Fun5909 t1_j1vh9gz wrote

The serbs wont do shit. Last time they tried NATO bombed them and ended their war in 3 days.

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6_67408_ t1_j1w5fsr wrote

It took longer than 3 days. It should have continued for way longer than it did tho. Nato failed in denazifying serbia. This is why we have this bullshit now.

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Sapphire-Drake t1_j1x0ow6 wrote

What the fuck do you mean denazifying? The Serbian government is corrupt and incompetent, but far from nazis.

There are some socialist policies to help people with healthcare, education, transportation and such. They aren't the best but they are better than nothing. So not far right like the nazis.

As for ethical discrimination, in the north there are classes for Croats so they can learn some Croatian history and stuff as well as Serbian. Also there are high schools that teach some classes in Hungarian for the Hungarians that live in Serbia or decide to study there. Rather considerate.

Some of the more religious people are homophobic but, again in the north, you can easily find people who don't care about that. Just like they don't really care about nationality.

I can't say much about the other parts since I haven't been in many but for the north I can say this from personal experience.

I really don't see how you can claim Serbia is nazi-like when most of the faults are from corruption and incompetence, instead of any racism, militarism or delusions of grandeur.

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samenumberwhodis t1_j1xbu9z wrote

Any classes for Bosniaks? Or are there not many of them in Serbia for some reason?

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Sapphire-Drake t1_j1xe3oc wrote

Got a couple as fellow students and couple of professors in another city. My home was really close to the border with Hungary so it's mostly them for minorities around there. Might be a few that I just don't know are Bosniaks. It's not really important to me or most people I know around here.

Don't know if there were or weren't such classes elsewhere. Again, can't say much for other parts. Don't really travel around Serbia.

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samenumberwhodis t1_j1xhcvf wrote

Whoosh

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mikica1986 t1_j1xn97u wrote

We call "Bosnian"/"Bosniak" anyone who comes from Bosnia. If you're referring to Bosnian muslims, I believe they are majority (or very significant minority) around Pazar.

P.S. Joke was good on a surface level, tho :D

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samenumberwhodis t1_j1xq4ka wrote

Genocide is hilarious :D

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mikica1986 t1_j1xs2if wrote

I wouldn't go that far

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samenumberwhodis t1_j1zbtaw wrote

You're right, what Serbia did to Bosnia isn't funny. Almost 100,000 civilians killed, Sarajevo leveled, Srebenica. You can play the victim all you like but the entire global community knows what Serbia did. And your denial of the facts and lack of contrition is why people call you Nazis.

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mikica1986 t1_j1zipkl wrote

Where did I deny attrocities in Bosnia happened? Where did I play victim?

There was a civil war in Bosnia. Threeway free for all between Serbs (Ortodox), Muslims and Croats (Catolic).

Also, Serbia didn't invade Bosnia, Yugoslavia was falling apart and Milošević (that was president of Yugoslavia, not Serbia, tho he was defacto power mad emperor of slaughter) was waging wars in order to keep his power.

He was a Serb, tho, and he didn't discriminate (much, he had a thing for killing Muslims more than others) based on ethnicity, he was killing anyone that opposed him.

I'm old enough to remember riots in the streets when the wars started, military shooting at protesters and so on. Then sanctions came and broke any kind of resistance, because people were surviving day to day instead of opposing goverment.

In the end, you do you, it's easier to have a "well defined" bad guy :D

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Fantastic-Fun5909 t1_j1ykwiu wrote

So would you say the Serbian government is National Socialist?

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Sapphire-Drake t1_j1yo273 wrote

No. They aren't communist like china and they aren't cutthroat capitalist like USA. They are mostly normal centrist with a bit of left and a bit more of right. Basically if the US didn't have a phobia of anything leftist and corporations weren't quite as powerful as far as the economy is concerned. We still have a bunch of unions to keep corporations in check.

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Fantastic-Fun5909 t1_j1zec18 wrote

I was making a joke since the Nazis where the National Socialist party.

Anyways I have been to Serbia and I loved it, very kind people. I wish you the best!

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auxerre1990 t1_j1wephr wrote

It always starts in Serbia...

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Iwantbubbles t1_j1wsv73 wrote

Why are Serbians perpetually unhappy

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Sapphire-Drake t1_j1x65u5 wrote

  1. Incompetent and corrupt government.
  2. Memories of the good old days with Tito who could somewhat stop us from killing each other for stupid reasons. Can't say if they really were better but the older people say they were.
  3. Exploitative labor policies that let foreign companies treat workers like crap. Even worse when lower and middle management is ours because you get useless ass kissers in those positions due to nepotism.
  4. Small wages and high prices. You have to spend carefully. Like "Can I afford to buy this fruit yoghurt for almost 1$" kind of carefully. My mother always compares it to Germany where you don't have to worry about how much you are spending on food.
  5. The NATO bombing. We are all of the opinion that it was very much unjustified. And that it ruined our economy because a bunch of factories got destroyed.
  6. Being on the way to EU membership for however long and always getting told it's gonna happen soon. Makes you feel like a clown when it's "just one more thing" everytime we are supposedly about to become members. Because that's how we are told by the government.
  7. Just in general being sort of isolated and look down on by others. It's really troubling seeing how many people are saying that we should have been bombed to oblivion like we aren't human and then call themselves the good guys. If you need proof of the apathy the big players in the west have for people here in the Balkans here is a interesting fact from the whole Bosnia disaster. The USA sent surplus military rations to Bosnia as relief packages. They were from the Vietnam war and were 20 years past the expiration date. Also they were labeled beef while actually being pork... and were given to Muslim people who can't eat pork.

All of this and more is the reason young people get dual citizenship and run away.

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Darth-Baul t1_j1z6d36 wrote

What exactly do you mean it wasn’t justified? They had dialogues for months and Milosevic refused to budge under any circumstance. He refused to end the mass expulsion of Albanians, and refused to remove his military, police, and paramilitary groups.

They were left with no choice

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Startrail_wanderer t1_j1vo6vf wrote

Round 1 - Ukraine and Russia, FIGHT Round 2 - Kosovo and Serbia, FIGHT

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