Submitted by KimCureAll t3_z6be6j in worldnews
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Em_Adespoton t1_iy0fgwu wrote
> The deteriorating relations between Ottawa and Beijing went into hyperdrive with the 2018 arrest of Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou as she transited through Vancouver.
Er, she was in residence at the house she owns. That’s not really transiting.
AbjectAttrition t1_iy0ijxr wrote
>“China has benefitted from the rules-based international order to grow and prosper, but it is now actively seeking to reinterpret these rules to gain greater advantage.”
Joly is giving the game away with this quote. "Rules-based order" has always truly meant "a world order in which the USA and its close allies get to make and enforce the rules."
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aerospacemonkey t1_iy0nkd1 wrote
> and its close allies
Imagine being upset that several countries get to discuss what's fair for the group and coming to agreement in a democratic order, instead of a single country bullying weaker countries into submission.
AbjectAttrition t1_iy0oxzd wrote
>Imagine being upset that several countries get to discuss what's fair for the group
As in, fair to them and their own financial interests. Ya know, the ones that have plundered the Global South for centuries.
>a single country bullying weaker countries into submission.
What do you think America has been doing to the entire world since the end of WWII?
xXWaspXx t1_iy0sn60 wrote
She was at the airport during a stopover
Lolwut100494 t1_iy0ugl1 wrote
Wait are you talking about China or US whe you mentioned bullying? I seriously have trouble telling sometimes.
NetherPortals t1_iy0v29o wrote
Well, China absolutely are more jerks to Canada than Canada are to China.
NetherPortals t1_iy0vbyg wrote
You skipped wheat and maple syrup. The 3 major food groups.
Girth_rulez t1_iy0wcf2 wrote
>Growing something besides weed.
...big, strong farmboys with a dream of making it to the NHL.
HELIGROUP t1_iy0wdka wrote
Really sorry. Have not seen those in the news lately.
I was thinking about countering the Chinese opioid trade
adamjm t1_iy0xu8k wrote
That applies to China vs the world. It is very clear what life would be like under their rule and no thanks.
Rezhio t1_iy152q3 wrote
China is doing that in every countries
Syncopationforever t1_iy170pw wrote
Hehe, Trudeau stepping up to xi again I see.
(At the g20 Xi Trudeau incident. Few seemed to notice that Trudeau took a half step forward, when xi started chastising him)
Zargabraath t1_iy1e5xe wrote
Textbook tankie trash
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Ancient_Arr t1_iy1hk53 wrote
whataboutisms lazy af
Allemaengel t1_iy1hshc wrote
I think that the U.S. needs to quietly get behind Canada's effort here.
I don't think we need to boss around leading everything. I don't see why we can't let our good allies like Canada take more diplomatic point on some things in consultation with us while we keep our power and might just over the horizon when/if they need us to bring in more muscle.
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blusky75 t1_iy1i30g wrote
God the "f#ck Trudeau" crowd came out in droves on social media to mock JT for that exchange. They literally were rooting for Team Xi. Unbelievable. For a group of people who are "pro freedom" they sure are misguided.
Theory-of-Everytang t1_iy1i4fg wrote
Before you go global get more flavors than maple
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Syncopationforever t1_iy1kb8o wrote
Agreed. I also (a Brit living in the UK) was astonished by these supposed arch social conservatives, these "Canada firsters". NOT putting Canada first.
I guess they want Xi style lockdowns after all lol
Formal_Mulberry_7317 t1_iy1lhkv wrote
The team sports version of politics
Zargabraath t1_iy1n5go wrote
and what are you doing here exactly? there are many dark corners of reddit that are echochambers where moronic ideologies like yours are welcome and anything else is banned
this is not one of them
dxiao t1_iy1nwge wrote
>several countries get to discuss what’s fair for the group
Why would countries that are excluded from this discussion and fairness be happy about it?
dxiao t1_iy1o6g0 wrote
Rebuttals using fact is difficult, generalizing an argument as whataboutism is lazy af
dxiao t1_iy1okzk wrote
Because we are just a pawn in this game
munchmills t1_iy1pawy wrote
Bots. Not only electronic but also biological.
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AbjectAttrition t1_iy1rm3b wrote
What ideology is that, exactly?
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Longjumping_Meat_138 t1_iy1ybge wrote
Yes, Canada os the True Hegemon of the world
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Fojar38 t1_iy1zhrg wrote
The charges were from the state of New York, not federal, and Meng Wanzhou had been being investigated since the Obama administration. The idea that Canada was just a patsy of the USA was literally the Chinese propaganda line for all this and it was really shitty as a Canadian to be thrown under the bus by Americans repeating that line just so they could try and dunk on Trump.
And China themselves didn't even really believe it, otherwise they wouldn't have gone after Canadians in China as their revenge.
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saundersmarcelo t1_iy23wnj wrote
Considering there is the Quad and AUKUS and the US recently made that Indo-Pacific economic pact, showing support for Canada could be beneficial for both parties in this case
olly43 t1_iy23xcx wrote
I really don’t understand why so many white males want to have sex with the prime minister /s
Overdose7 t1_iy2ak7o wrote
> "Let's talk about Canada and China."
> "But what about America!!"
Thanks for your contribution.
Arrow2019x t1_iy2c55t wrote
👏👏👏nice to see Canada making these significant moves on the world stage
SuburbanValues t1_iy2cq9p wrote
The charges were federal, filed in a NY federal court.
capitalismisokiguess t1_iy2mlhd wrote
Canada should invest in its navy.
awildhorsepenis t1_iy2tbey wrote
if the second world war was the biggest conflict on earth, and the US won the war in the pacific, and most of the earth is comprised on oceans, the pacific being the largest…
What was the prize for winning WW2?
The world.
awildhorsepenis t1_iy2tdqa wrote
the world globalized in the 40’s…
Maranaranag t1_iy2w047 wrote
I don't understand why we have to hide behind a veneer of kumbaya here. Notwithstanding the challenges the US faces, for many people, living a quiet, safe life in a nice clean suburb is preferable. Plenty of immigrants to western countries prove this. They are just better places to live and raise children. How many people are lining up to live in Russian apartment blocks or to be social-creditized in China? Next to none.
So, yes - one is preferable over the other and I don't see why we have to give equal time to oppressive systems.
China had plenty of thousands of years of their civilization to have a say in the world, but were so arrogant that they imagined themselves at the center of it. Now, somehow they want to globalize their tribute system? Sorry - no thanks.
Maranaranag t1_iy2w53b wrote
Imagine for a second that it was China instead of the US in a similar position. Would you rather live in that world or this one?
Snufflepuffster t1_iy2z0ia wrote
no one in their right mind is rooting for Xi in Canada. A lot of the stuff you’re seeing on the web is not real.
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mydogisanassholeama t1_iy38rx3 wrote
What a wonderful day for Canada, and therefore of course, the world.
Realist12b t1_iy3j1z8 wrote
They did go after Canadians? Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor.
pliiplii2 t1_iy3o4dq wrote
Delusional
AbjectAttrition t1_iy3tbuy wrote
China, easily. The Global South seems to broadly agree.
AbjectAttrition t1_iy3tkgp wrote
This sort of psychotic comment is what you get when you unironically believe America is the best country in the world and all others are hellscapes with nothing to offer.
happyscrappy t1_iy3xt0i wrote
Like some kind of Trans-Pacific Partnership?
blusky75 t1_iy4c7l2 wrote
No doubt there are China bots out there but don't underestimate the stupidity of the F#ck Trudeau folks lol
DemSocCorvid t1_iy4tcwd wrote
They've never been "Canada first" they've always been "Me and how I think things should be done first", like conservatives have always been. They don't give a shit about their communities or their nation, if they did they would care about the society we're making for the generations to come.
DemSocCorvid t1_iy4tyqw wrote
>"There's a level of admiration I actually have for China. Their basic dictatorship is actually allowing them to turn their economy around on a dime."
...where's the lie/inaccuracy? It's possible to acknowledge the benefits of autocracy without thinking it's a better form of government.
DemSocCorvid t1_iy4udp6 wrote
The West is objectively a better region to live, and the rest of the world has less to offer. Say what you will about "why" that is, but that is the case currently.
Vinlandien t1_iy61vk2 wrote
> "Rules-based order" has always truly meant "a world order in which the USA and its close allies get to make and enforce the rules."
You mean a collection of countries from around the world who have worked together diplomatically to establish a set order of rules that each have agreed to follow in order to prevent conflicts and increase mutual prosperity?
Those same rules that other nations have agreed to abide by in order to have access to this trade market, only to then break the rules and then get angry when the countries they lied to slowly stop doing business with them, while still giving them time to change their behaviors in order to maintain good relations and continued business?
God forbid lol
AbjectAttrition t1_iy65qqq wrote
You vastly overestimate the how much of the world’s population actually lives in the West lol. Easy to defend the system that largely benefits us, after all.
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MinuteManufacturer t1_iy6iu4y wrote
We are all Meese on this blessed day
pliiplii2 t1_iy6jkx6 wrote
Current world order refers to who? NATO? USA? Russia? Europe? You can’t use blanket term to then compare to a specific case.
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Vinlandien t1_iy801b0 wrote
It's not just the west who abides by these rules, 196 countries have agreed to obey the Geneva conventions and signed on to it, including Russia who is now breaking them.
Diplomacy is a negotiation, and these laws and treaties were not written by a single nation, or a small collection of regional nations, but by many nations found around the globe over time to ensure peace and prosperity.
AbjectAttrition t1_iy8ftsx wrote
You've lost the plot. This is about trade, not war crimes.
Vinlandien t1_iy8ga1c wrote
Its about both. Trade laws exist to prevent conflicts, which can lead to war.
Sanctions are a response to conflict imposed on trade. Diplomacy can help alleviate conflict and restore trade.
The rules exist for peaceful coexistence.
AbjectAttrition t1_iy8hb69 wrote
No, the article is specifically focusing on trade relations. Trade rules that have largely and disproportionately benefitted the USA and its allies. It has nothing to do with the Geneva Conventions and other humanitarian agreements meant to clamp down on human suffering across the board. That's not how this works at all.
Vinlandien t1_iy8i7hf wrote
You're simply wrong.
Trade relations are built of mutual respect and an adherence to agreed upon rules for mutual peace and prosperity.
If one party if breaking the rules, stealing IP rights to make knock offs, underpaying their workers or using slave labor to outcompete, using banned chemicals or materials that can cause consumer to become sick or die, or any number of possible breech of the rules, then those trade relations are going to sour and conflict is much more likely to break out.
Which rules do you think benefit the US and its Allies in particular that don't benefit other nations? Not using Child slaves? Not making lead based toys? Not selling contaminated or diseased meat? Sanctioning countries that commit war crimes from the international market?
Do go on and explain the reasoning behind your statement, because the rules apply to all sides equally, and only seem to benefit those who cheat and break them.
AbjectAttrition t1_iy8itu0 wrote
You've really lost the plot here, dude. If you're actually interested in knowing why China is overtaking the USA in trade, this infographic uses information from the IMF and gives some of the reasoning behind China's rise in the past few decades.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/biggest-trade-partner-of-each-country-1960-2020/
If you just want to keep trying to equate China making trade agreements in Africa and Latin America to literal war crimes being committed, feel free.
KimCureAll OP t1_iy0evhm wrote
Summary: Canada called China a “disruptive” global force that must be contained, the latest salvo against Beijing as Ottawa embraces a less friendly approach toward the country following a high-stakes U.S.-China battle over telecommunications.