visitor-2024 t1_ixrnei2 wrote
Germany had many nuclear power plants. Where are they now? OK, people probably voted against nuclear power as it seemed more risky. Now country depends on external power sources with risk to loose knowledge on how to build and operate nuclear power plants. I don't really get who wins.
LookThisOneGuy t1_ixrxxtt wrote
> Germany had many nuclear power plants. Where are they now?
Some shut down because they are old. Some shut down because of politics. Some still operating.
The big question is: If nuclear was the cheap better obvious answer these last 30 years, why have the super smart and way better countries not built any?
Since the 1992 (30 years ago) only three nuclear reactors have started construction in Europe. One in France, one in Finland and Hinkley Point C in the UK (counts as two?).
The narrative simply cannot be that Germanys =bad for no nuclear but other countries, like Poland or Lithuania = good for no nuclear.
Well it can be, if nuclear doesn't matter and the arguments are just racism.
The_RealKeyserSoze t1_ixut4mk wrote
>”Some shut down because they are old. Some shut down because of politics. Some still operating.”
They were all shut down for politics. The German government set the end of life for all their plants and then decided to phase them all out after Fukushima. The German NPPs “end of life” dates are based solely on politicians drawing an arbitrary line not the useable lifespan of the plants.
>”The big question is: If nuclear was the cheap better obvious answer these last 30 years, why have the super smart and way better countries not built any?”
Because of fear mongering and misinformation. China has been investing heavily in nuclear energy to replace their coal. They have hundreds of reactors planned or under construction and are on track to build more nuclear energy capacity than the entire US electric grid. Their plants are built within a decade and don’t run ridiculously over budget as they are beginning to achieve the economies of scale that make nuclear competitive.
LookThisOneGuy t1_ixuuxep wrote
Of course. Germany shutting down nuclear is because they are dumb.
Other EU countries not having nuclear can't be because they are dumb, it must be China!
The_RealKeyserSoze t1_ixuvl8x wrote
You asked why countries have not built any the answer is politics. It’s not a technical or economic challenge as China has proven.
LookThisOneGuy t1_ixuwd9p wrote
I aksed why Germany is seen as stupid for not doing it and other EU countries are not. The answer is racism.I haven't seen 10 reddit threads ever week calling CEE countries stupid for not building nuclear. Why? Racism
The_RealKeyserSoze t1_ixv0s1d wrote
Maybe re-read your own question. And also google what racism means, you seem to be clueless.
>“The big question is: If nuclear was the cheap better obvious answer these last 30 years, why have the super smart and way better countries not built any?”
LookThisOneGuy t1_ixv272z wrote
The full part of my comment:
> The narrative simply cannot be that Germanys =bad for no nuclear but other countries, like Poland or Lithuania = good for no nuclear. > > Well it can be, if nuclear doesn't matter and the arguments are just racism.
But you might be right:
> And also google what racism means
It could have been xenophobia instead of racism, according to some definitions.
Still, ask yourself: Why do I only blame Germany when this seems to be widespread phenomenon across all of Europe? Check your privilege and accept inernalised bigotry. Say no to hate!
Preisschild t1_ixu3qff wrote
Poland is currently investing a ton of money into nuclear power.
They just announced power plants from Westinghouse (USA) and KHNP (S Korea) will be built in Poland.
Diligent-Road-6171 t1_ixsb0jk wrote
> The big question is: If nuclear was the cheap better obvious answer these last 30 years, why have the super smart and way better countries not built any?
political histeria as a result of nuclear doommongering.
It's not a coincidence that china has led the world in nuclear powerplant construction over the past 40 years.
nyaaaa t1_ixsdtku wrote
Can't be about how they didn't have any and just started building them when the first ones in other countries were shut down due to age.
No way.
> past 40 years.
Make that 20 at best. More like 15.
mangalore-x_x t1_ixrpgyp wrote
> I don't really get who wins.
Bavaria. They retain the only research reactor with weapon grade uranium in Europe.
gburgwardt t1_ixrooae wrote
Putin was winning because Germany was much more reliant on them than they had been with nuclear plants
But you’re looking at things the wrong way if you’re always looking for who wins
Sometimes the people are just stupid and vote for stupid bs
Like in the USA when we vote for immigration restrictions or protectionism
Or in this case, Germans voting to shut down their nuclear plants because of Japan’s issues with their plants.
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