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comdoriano009 t1_iycioa1 wrote

Reply to comment by AncomDuck in COVID protests escalate in Guangzhou as China lockdown anger boils by redcccp

The people protesting now are the same that consider HK part of China, oh the irony

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turnintoaconvertibe t1_iycl6q7 wrote

Not really ironic given that you can support your country's unity but also protest your country's human rights issues.

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ninshin t1_iye96fj wrote

Do have to say though, the Hong Kong protests were not about sedition. The demands were withdrawal of an extradition bill that people felt threatened the legal system of Hong Kong, for the government to stop calling protests riots so that people don’t go to jail for it, for release of those imprisoned, to investigate the police independently, and for the executives to be fired and a universal election. None of the main demands of the protests requested to be free from China, only some of the young radical ones wanted that. Hong Kong doesn’t even have its own local military unlike Singapore. A minority requesting independence and kissing Ted Cruz’s ass basically turned a lot of people in China against Hong Kong.

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comdoriano009 t1_iyclyt7 wrote

Yeah but fuck HK and taiwan am i right?

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KinTharEl t1_iycqm37 wrote

While I agree that HK and Taiwan should be their own independently governed countries, I don't think the Chinese people see it that way. The propaganda is strong there, and they've probably been led to believe they HK and Taiwan are rogue provinces that have broken away or been wrested away from Chinese control by foreign powers.

Again, not saying I support that perspective, but you can't fault them when propaganda is the only thing they've been fed since birth.

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Nordle_420D t1_iycz04d wrote

Are you chinese? Why did you want unite with HK? Because it was a clearly better place?

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drvibrator t1_iydzu0v wrote

I don’t live in China, but looking at the historical reason why HongKong was leased for 100 years to the British, and the Opium wars in general, I’m sort of surprised at how many people cannot understand why China, including both the governing party and the people, would want HongKong to be governed under the ruling party of China. I’m from the US, and the way I consider this is if the US were forced to lease Hawaii to China for 100 years, after which the agreement said that Hawaii wouldn’t be leased anymore. During this time, the local Hawaiian government established itself to rule on federally governed issues, often with Chinese pressure. I would probably want the government of Hawaii significantly reigned in once the lease came up. I am not advocating for the CCP, but I wanted to offer why I don’t think it is crazy for China to have done the things they did. The above was considered when I wanted to invest more in the HK market in the last few years, but decided ultimately that China would definitely rule HK with an iron fist. I don’t think I agree with the fairness of any of this, but there is no fairness in international politics imo.

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