UniversalMomentum t1_ixyw8po wrote
Reply to comment by earthsdemise in Victorian Liberal party left shellshocked after another heavy election defeat by trist1322
Liberal and conservative are supposed to mean is liberal means new ideas and conservative means traditional. That's the SINGLE binding point of meaning that makes those terms matter. That's why you have labels like Democratic and Republicans, so the labels can switch but the core ideological terms don't. You can't be a conservative liberal, you're just using the words wrong at that point because you can't be pro-tradition and pro-progress.
Like Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, but he was a liberal and Andred Jackson was a Democratic, but back when Dems were the conservatives. WHY would you switch the core words around too, that's just EVIL!
You may as well start saying North is South and South is North! The reason those terms are useful is because they are no ideological terms, they are true definitions of the ACTIONS of the party and in almost all cases it's traditionalists vs people who want change.
Soo I guess it's time to give up those terms and make new ones.
Conservative = Traditionalist (very verbose so hard to mutate)
Liberal = Progressive (again fairly verbose and hard to steal the label if you're a traditionalist/conservative/person who wants minimal change)
Those are the new terms now because Australia and other are trying to ruin the actual words at their core meaning!
Poging_pierogi_part2 t1_ixyx1bf wrote
Liberal outside the US means pro-free market on pro less economic intervention. Usually centre right but social liberalism is centrist. Similar if not identical to "fiscal conservative" or "LiBeRtArIaN". Both MODERATE factions of GOP and the Democrats (Blue Dogs, New Dems and DNC) are liberals in this definition.
Pregnenolone t1_ixyybmb wrote
Mate Liberal is being used correctly https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
WikiSummarizerBot t1_ixyyd3e wrote
>Classical liberalism is a political tradition and a branch of liberalism that advocates free market and laissez-faire economics; civil liberties under the rule of law with especial emphasis on individual autonomy, limited government, economic freedom, political freedom and freedom of speech. It gained full flowering in the early 18th century, building on ideas stemming at least as far back as the 13th century within the Iberian, Anglo-Saxon, and central European contexts and was foundational to the American Revolution and "American Project" more broadly.
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larion78 t1_iy05fon wrote
Trying to ruin the words meaning?
The Liberal Party here in Australia has been around since 1944, so it's not anything new here.
TheDWGM t1_iy16flv wrote
>liberal means new ideas
This is literally only true in America. Liberal everywhere else refers to... liberalism. The semantic meaning of words is contextual to time and space, your entire commentary is premised on a terrible and outdated take on philosophy of language.
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