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Future_Specialist_32 t1_iyefoha wrote

Reply to comment by pmmichalowski in EU Commission proposes blocking billions in funds to Hungary by Bald-Eagle619

It's not helpful to blame a population for collective behaviour. It has the same energy as people who claim they would've spoken out about slavery if only they were back in the olden times, or rebelled in Nazi Germany in the 30s.

I mean, maybe you would have done, but statistically, no. You'd have followed the crowd, because by that point in your life you'd have been exposed to the same propoganda and manipulation that got the crowd thinking that way in the first place. If it were that simple to rise above it all, it wouldn't have worked on the masses in the first place.

Blame the parties causing that population to share that collective behaviour.

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pmmichalowski t1_iyege3a wrote

I'm sorry, do you want me not to blame the Nazis? The Nazis are exactly the moment in history when we agreed that just following orders is not going to cut it.

I literally could not disagree with you more. People did speak against Nazis and slavery and people died fighting against it.

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Future_Specialist_32 t1_iyf1mxm wrote

It depends what you mean by "the Nazis". I certainly don't think it's particularly productive to blame the average citizen.

What was the difference between the average person in Germany in the 30s and the average person in any other country at that same point in time? Because if people aren't allowed to be products of their environment, are you saying it was some inherent genetic flaw? What else could cause a perversion of morals on the same level?

People spoke against the Nazis then and slavey before, but the majority didn't. We're probably going through the exact same thing now with veganism. There's no moral argument for most people to continue consuming animal products, but here we are.

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shalo62 t1_iyf9ur2 wrote

Comparing veganism to the nazis? Fuck off. You had the perfect opportunity for an argument and you pissed it up against the wall with that little tidbit!

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