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rodclutcher101 t1_iycne9v wrote

Can we just kick these cunts out of the EU until that piece of shit is gone

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Remarkable_Soil_6727 t1_iyd82y2 wrote

I dont believe you can actually kick a country out which was a big mistake in its creation.

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UnapologeticBritish t1_iydquk4 wrote

It is actually entirely possible to eject a member from the EU. The issue is actually the requirements of a unanimous vote from every other member which at the moment is not going to happen since the Hungarian government has a modicum of support from the Polish government

EDIT: I have been corrected. A member cannot in fact be expelled from the union, only suspended, and that requires the unanimous vote

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SmileHappyFriend t1_iydto05 wrote

No its impossible, you would have to get every single member to agree to change the treaties to implement a mechanism to kick out a member. Nothing exists for that at the moment.

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derkrieger t1_iydwzou wrote

De facto if every EU member except hungarh agreed to the rule nobody would be upset except hungary which tough titties if they already want them out. Any rule is valid if the rest are unanimous on it.

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SmileHappyFriend t1_iydybjg wrote

Well if you want to violate the framework of the EU, sure. There is no mechanism to kick out a member of the EU.

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derkrieger t1_iyefzli wrote

Right...unless every other member agrees sans Hungary then they can add that rule. The framework is built on trust and as long as all parties are in agreement the trust remains. If every party wants Hungary gone then Hungary's opinion is moot. If at least one other member were to object though then they would be stuck or risk breaching the trust between member states.

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SmileHappyFriend t1_iyek4ap wrote

>The framework is built on trust and as long as all parties are in agreement the trust remains

Right so you are still violating the EU treaties and framework then. What about the next time there is a country that opposes what the rest of the other member nations want? Do they get overridden as well?

What happens when member nations realise the veto is useless?

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rodclutcher101 t1_iyf1l5e wrote

Think the polish government has turned there back on them as Poland is supporting Ukrainian but Orban is to far up putins ass hole

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anti-DHMO-activist t1_iydigrf wrote

I think you are conflating several points here.

I doubt anybody loves the veto - it's a terrible solution and a better one would be welcome.

The big problem here is: The EU works by essentially taking some sovereignity from its members. However, still pretty much everything the EU decides has to be codified into national law by the member countries. You need the active help of every involved country to truly get something passed.

That's why the veto is there - it's incredibly hard to get a sovereign country to put something into law which they didn't decide on.

The only real alternative would be something akin to a federalized state - but good luck getting countries to completely give away all their sovereignity.

The veto isn't there because it's great, it's there because nations like to decide things they codify into national law.

The EU is still an associaton of countries, not a giant single country.

And if poland wouldn't protect hungary, the veto wouldn't even be an issue. Just saying. It's poland's veto that is the problem, not hungary's.

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