Russia's logistics are so bad that the mothers of soldiers have to provide and bring them their kit.

But what is really happening here is propaganda meant for domestic consumption. These women herald a mass mobilization order for women.

And yet, there would be no uproar and protests in russia. It's as if they like to be treated like shit or something there.

Have you seen their anti women laws? Hell they say if he beats you it means he loves you

Heard something, yeah. Probably explains rapist tendencies among their troops.

Do you really think civilians can overthrow the government in Russia? If there is one thing modern Russia is good at, it’s stomping out civilian protests. Can you really blame the people there for not wanting to risk a 15-year prison sentence or death just to express their disapproval of a war that’s going to continue regardless? I highly doubt that you or anyone else here would do anything different in the same situation.

I don’t support Russia’s war in Ukraine, and I don’t understand why so much aggression is being directed at Russian civilians.

Well, they can certainly try it. Iran is sentencing protesters to death too, and yet people are standing for themselves.

It's hard to imagine a revolution without government trying to stomp it.

Sure they can, and did at the beginning of the war. A lot of good that did. Protests don't always work.

wives and moms are protesting?

Send them to the front and the protest will be over.

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> Mothers and wives of conscripted men from Sakhalin Oblast of Russia [Far East] will take turns going to Donbas to provide "Targeted and effective assistance" to the Russian occupiers.

> This decision was made on 27 November, during the celebration of Mother's Day in Russia.

> According to him, mothers and wives could take turns to go to Donetsk Oblast to provide "Targeted and effective assistance, to make sure that the requests of the military are fulfilled accurately, and the parcels get to the addressees faster".

Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Mothers^#1 Russia^#2 Oblast^#3 wives^#4 initiative^#5

So, send mothers/ wives of soldiers to regions the soldier are tasked to defend? Is this how they stop Russian soldiers from retreating/ surrendering?

Look what happened to their first attempt at democracy. They finally overthrew the Tzar, and a new interim government was established. They started making changes such as holding elections, abolishing the death penalty, and disbanding the secret police. They lasted 11 months, and the ruzzians looked at the progress they made, before saying "Human rights? No secret police? This aint it fam", and allowed the first dictator that came along to take control.

Protests work. It’s russia that doesn’t work.

Special bottom-wiping operation.

Yep.

The ignorance in this comment can only be explained by an entitlement sentiment.

You would think with all the troops dying and coming home injured, and these women seeing what is happening first hand, it would start to change what Russians think about this war. I would think at some point they would come to the realization that Russia is at fault. From being in the US, I do realize that cultish behavior and gaslighting people can be hard to overcome.

Someone over there is going to have to take out Putin, or it won't end. It's going to have to be military. It will be labeled a massive heart attack. Closed casket.

Why does this feel like they are bringing prostitution to the frontline?

There have been protests against the invasion when it started but were shut down and there were protests against the mobilization but they got shut down too so the only resort for Russians is to flee the country their home which is really difficult as some neighboring countries won’t allow them to and civilians are saying they aren’t welcome I feel so horrible for people of both Ukraine and Russia who pay the price of what one person is doing

Majority of Russians do want this war, it’s the condition of their military they’re not happy with.

Nah it's just that the conscripts don't want to fight so Russia puts their families in front of bullets so they are forced to fight.

Disgusting, but nothing I didn't expect from Poo-tin.

Are we sure they are not sent there to assist with all the trafficked children?

i have an idea to why but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

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Oh I'm oh so sorry that you are offended by me calling ruzzia ruzzia. The ruzzians are literally proud to display the Z symbology where they can, even openly in the Western World.

yeah they kept going with the war... Because the Germans were winning WW1 on their front, and were pushing harsh terms on them. Then the oh so brilliant Lenin took power, tried to just stop fighting unilaterally, got his shit kicked in, and had to accept an even worse treaty. Maybe the Interim government knew that they had to hold out in the war until they could get better terms, which was getting close because Germany was running out of manpower on the Eastern front. But hey, Lenin thought he knew better, and wound up with worse terms as a result.

And the ruzzians still let it happen. They allowed Lenin to take power, and the central ruzzian population was fine bending the knee to yet another autocratic government. Sure the outer regions rebelled, but those areas were always unhappy being under the ruzzian thumb.

Since when ruzzian is a separate race?

if they protest they die dude , most of those ppl have children or family

The ruzzians like to think of themselves as a separate, superior race. Now they are waging war against the inferiors who have no right to exist, and allegedly occupy what should rightfully be their glorious race's lands. Wonder where I have heard that one before?

The worst part is you are not even exaggerating. 2022 was quite an eye opener.

It sadly has been. The ruzzians have had a perpetual fear and envy of the Western World, when reality is that very few people in the West want what is mostly just frozen tundras

A few dozen people holding up signs is not a revolution. The reason they can't do shit against their oppressive government is because they largely support it. Look at Ukraine 8 years ago to see what people do when they really dislike their dictators and aren't scared to fight for their freedom. Stop giving ruzzians a pass while their country is openly committing genocide, most of them are for it and should be judged as such.

Maybe Russia is laying a trap that will trigger more anti-Ukraine sentiment?

If they move these mothers into East Ukraine and Ukraine recaptures their terroritory, these mothers will have to move.

Then Russia can say, "look how bad Ukrainians are. They throw mothers out of their own houses", even though those houses were never theirs to begin with.

... IDK... I don't know jack shit, but it's the only way that it makes sense to me.

First of is that i will acknowledge that there are indeed people in Russia that are stupidly proud of this invasion no matter how wrong it is because that's what propaganda does to you.

I feel like half of those who support this war have no idea what it truly entails and what's happening, they assume that it's just a "special military operation" to defeat "Ukrainian Neo-Nazis" which is of course complete BS. The war exists out of a combination of preventing Ukraine from joining NATO in any way and a bizarre belief from Putin that Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians are one people when in reality is that while they share similar culture and religion they still have distinctions in names, some aspects of their languages and national identities.

Saying they share common roots, cultures and history is fair enough but saying that there is no difference between them and they are really one people called Russians is utter bananas and the sort of mythologized pseudo-history that exists as part of fascist thinking which is ironic for someone who wants to "liberate" Ukraine from "Neo-Nazis".

As for the interim government in all honestly while the terms given would have been harsh it was either that or keep fighting in an unwinnable war that has become widely despised by Russians thanks to the sheer incompetency of the previous reign of Nicholas The Second, the defeats and economic hardship they had to endure meant that they wanted an end to the hopeless fighting.

Another thing to note is how the provisional government at the time was suffering from infighting between the political party Alexander Kerensky was leading and the military that lead to a near coup by Kornilov against Kerensky which lead the the latter on relying Lenin's Bolsheviks to hold onto power which amounted to nothing when the people got so pissed of and frustrated at WW1 that Lenin pretty much instigated the October Revolution and overthrew the provisional government.

Little details like these you ignore to justify your wild, insanely incomprehensible and illogical narrative, especially when you KEEP ON USING the word "ruzzia" in places that makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever!

Like seriously what the hell does Lenin have to do with "ruzzia" or "ruzzians" in your mind? If anything the only thing Lenin and Putin have in common is that they are dictators but that's that. Lenin, for his many flaws and someone who ultimately did become a repressive dictator, was a genuine about his belief in Communism in helping the working classes, despised imperialism, truly believed in his revolution to establish a better society and despite becoming an undemocratic, authoritarian leader he never trusted Stalin and thought the latter was too cruel to have a leading role in the USSR.

Seriously the way you use "ruzzia" so haphazardly and in random places that makes no sense practically strips the word of it's meaning and turns it into a bigoted, anti-russian term since you keeps using that as a substitute for just Russians and the fact that it's a unique term created solely against Russians as opposed to calling those who support the invasion and glorification of a nation just plainly fascists.

What you are saying more or less justifies my assertion that "ruzzia" is basically the N-word for Russians at this point.

That and they can use them as human shields and if they are killed or injured, they can claim "Look at evil Ukraine killing innocent women (who we trucked in from thousands of miles away)"

i mean, slaves would be more accurate since hostages can't really consent or get money in exchange for services. Having moms close makes threats against family more effective i guess.

> justifies my assertion that "ruzzia" is basically the N-word for Russians at this point.

i'm glad you found a way to brighten the mood with a joke here at the end

The article says the mothers and wives came up with the idea themselves

Oh really, thank you :)

And then they go to war and die, your point?

then they'll die in Ukranian mud a few months later.

They are going to go get their men and boys and keep going east.

Average conservative moment

Yup, I guess just classify them as enemy combatants then. They're fair game as they will be providing material support for the invading army, not some innocent civilian who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

What's to stop them from taking their families and surrendering to gtfo Russia?

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In all fairness… if you remember the early days of the Iraq War moms and girlfriends where sending soldiers body armor because the Bush Admin didn’t plan on the war lasting more than a few months.

This is like the ancient days when Gallic and I think Germanic tribes would be bring their entire families to war, the wives would create a wall of carts and scream at their husbands to not retreat and give them emotional support. Against Caesar, it failed miserably, the soldiers tried to run, they were trapped by the carts and slaughtered in front of their families and then the families were enslaved. Moral the story, don't bring your family to a warzone.

In all fairness what is the point of your comment lol

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Interesting how you speak from such a moral high ground , you must face those situations dailiy i assume and probably always face it bravely

Whataboutism.

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Indeed.

Clam down there hero. It’s just historical context that Russia isn’t the First Nation to struggle with basic logistics when a quick victory turned into a quagmire. “Yes, and…” as it’s called.

That doesn’t mean what you think it means.

There is no better propaganda than the mangled corpses of wives and mothers.

Yes, it does.

And your comment is a perfect example of it.

So… I’m gonna fix you here hero so you don’t embarrass yourself in the future. It’s not because I’m not using the point to deflect from the failure of Russian logistics. We know it’s been bad since the start, what I did is called “yes and…” but you of course already knew that. It’s historical context for major powers struggling with basic logistics when an east victory turns into an extended quagmire.

So… like I said that word doesn’t mean what you think it means and rather than being unable to process new information this is where you say TIL and move on with your day.

I think you mean west?

I'd cover my ass here by saying something to the effect of "it's all east if you go far enough" but you caught me squaresies.

Yeah, going west to get their men and boys and then continuing to defect Westerly.

>I don't don't know what 'whataboutism' means, but I am really upset that you said that I did it.

Oh, I know. We all know.

And that's ok! I conveniently left a link in my first comment here that you can click on to learn about whataboutisms.

So, go ahead hErO and point your Speak 'N' Spell on over there and give learning a shot.

Dude… don’t get pissed. Just admit you didn’t know something and move on. JFC.

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I will admit that I didn't realize that you would fight so hard to avoid trying to learn something. It's impressive. Not in a good way mind you, but impressive nonetheless.

You remind me of those old people on Facebook that will smugly post a meme that is talking shit about personality traits that they don't realize perfectly describe them.

Honestly, if I were from Russia and my husband was conscripted, I would totally go to him. And then when I know he is alive and safe we go and surrender to the Ukrainian forces

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Russia is using them for human shields

So I guess they just didn't care enough to keep the protests going? People are getting murdered in Iran every day for their protests but they haven't stopped yet. Guess the people of Iran are just stronger than those in Russia.

Well idk the Russian government is detaining anyone who says they don’t support and I think even conscripting some of them to the war idk

Also there’s a new wave a protests in Russia from angry and distraught families who are upset that they were forced into war for nothing so yes protests are happening

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question

Also, a human shield meant to both make Ukraine look bad if they're killed and to motivate conscripts to fight rather than run.

Lmao

Yep, if you bomb the soldiers, you bomb innocent civilians.

It’s fucking gross.

Was it rhetorical? Because I am myself asking that question earnestly.

It's a John Mulaney joke, in fact. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvy2uobumBc

So I know of this and in most cases the entire tribe was migrating. The Romans refused the migration, even lost twice to one tribe before defeating them the third time. Their entire tribe completely abandoned their homeland due to overpopulation and pressure from other tribes. It happened again and again.

Ironically, the tribe just wanted to move into Cisalpine Gaul. They had completely wiped out the Roman army in the north and Rome assumed they were about to be destroyed, but the tribes weren't interested in that.

Hundreds of years later after the fall of the Western Roman empire the pattern resumed, with tribes migrating great distances, reaching as far as North Africa.

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Stop calling him " hero ". It's annoying and adds nothing to the argument.

Most likely can do better than the conscripts

As generations of people fleeing the stupidity of Moscow have before. It's funny but sad how much the failure of slavic states is directly tied to the drunken incompetence of Moscow-based leadership.

You tell ‘em, hero

Stop.

Why are you zzpelling it like that?

That wasn't their first attempt at a republic. Novgorod was.

Reminds me of the Cimbri and Teutons, who scared the Romans so bad, they coined the term "Teutonic fury" to describe their fear. They defeated the Romans completely twice (one of the times Rome fucked up an ambush and got themselves slaughtered), and on the third encounter, Rome finally defeated them but the women killed all their children and then themselves.

... So they showed up seemingly out of nowhere, wiped out two Roman armies, then all died or killed themselves, denying the Romans any sort of trophy or compensation for their (very considerable) trouble. And that was just two tribes.

What he means is that the people of what is now Russia have always had that same "Ruzzia" mentality from today. Rather than blaming propaganda and oppression, he believes it's due to some inherent savagery in your culture (I assume you're Russian as well). Yes, it's technically racist, but can you blame him at this point with what the world is seeing? For example, Imagine you find out a person you just met is a neo-nazi, is it racist if you dislike him solely based in that? I don't know, truly. But that's how a big part of the world sees you right now, as the new Nazis.

I used to like Russians somewhat. Now, even though I find it a bit conflicting, I can say being honest to myself and feelings that I hate them. I will be distrustful of any person I find out to be Russian for years and years to come. Sorry.

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It's not ignorance; it's disdain.

The second and third line barrier troops, who would presumably shoot people deserting.

Honestly, with the mobilization I think it's easier than ever. Armed conscripts could gather together and rebel against their officers. If people truly oppose the war, more would join to the rebellion than against it. Civilians would have a much better chance protesting now, that everyone can see even soldiers oppose war. And thus we reach the conundrum. Perhaps this doesn't work bc simply put not enough ppl oppose the war. They may oppose it because they're losing or because they consider military leadership inept and are angered that they are the ones paying the price for that ineptitude. But they don't oppose the war for being unjustified, wrong, fought unfairly brutal against Ukrainian civilians or any other of those things. The just hate that they suck at war and it's the one thing they had told them they were good at.

Lol. You got it hero. Be less sensitive my man. It’s the internet, don’t get your jimmies russled by strangers.

In all fairness, that doesn't really matter now does it?

the US soldier is a volunteer, not some guy kidnapped and sent to die with only a week of training.

I read the article. With that out of the way... what the fuck?

I get east and west mixed up 100% of the time. It's not intermittent - if I don't pause for a split second to make sure, I'll get them exactly backward, every time.

Once it pissed me off and I resolved to keep east and west straight instinctively, dammit. I did; and then I started to mix up drive and reverse in my car. Fine, fuck it, east/west confusion isn't particularly dangerous, I'll just go back to that. 😡😄

tl;dr: I get you.

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The barrier troops are behind them. They can surrender to the ukrainians in front of them

I doubt it, the mothers and wives of the men sent to die unwillingly are the most likely to speak up against the government, this gets them out of the country so if they do complain there aren't other Russians around to hear it, and lets Putin double down on "We're defending Russians who are living in the Ukraine!" rhetoric.

You would be raped 100 times before you found out he was dead weeks/months ago.

When I was deployed to Latvia back in 99, I met many wives and mothers of USSR soldiers. When the Soviets pulled out, they took the troops and left their families behind. I was on a former Soviet base in the middle of nowhere and right outside the wall was a rundown apartment complex where the families were abandoned.

They may become trafficked themselves

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Sounds like Abrahamic biblical instruction. Oh wait, it is!

This was everyone in antiquity, not just the Gauls. There's a ton of archeological evidence from Roman forts and camps of their wives and families following them, along with the fact that the #1 way for a Roman general to say "I'm being a hardass disciplinarian" was to kick as many noncombatants out of the camp as possible.

The "camp follower" was mostly done away with in the ancient before-time of the 1800s, when railroad logistics and better communications allowed the State to centralize their organization to the point where they could finally get rid of all of the women doing laundry / cooking meals / maintaining equipment while doing some hookin' and sutlering on the side.

It's more got to do with Russian military culture resembling prison culture with a certain hierarchy and rampant abuse.

I know a few "average" Russians. If Putin is ousted, it will be from the Right. They are upset with the corruption and demand total victory. Last Spring, they would have accepted less than total victory. Now, both sides have suffered too many losses to accept a cease fire. This will end only when one side is crushed.

Russians do exist as a distinct East-Slavic ethnic group. One of the issues that led to this war was that Russians don't recognize Ukrainians as a separate ethnicity and culture, so it's extremely important to fight the narrative of any kind of Pan-Slavic ethnicity.

Is this some WW2 type of shit I’m seeing? Makes sense if they’re the one being invaded. You’re the fucking invaders with a “special military operation” which surprisingly lasted so long and involved all your military personnel and weapons. Bruh this isn’t fucking 19 or 20th centuries. Come out of your fucking cave damn it. It’s frustrating man. Just let people live their lives. Focus on the damn economy and trade and stuff. Not this. It’s a waste of everything.

Is this some WW2 type of shit I’m seeing? Makes sense if they’re the one being invaded. You’re the fucking invaders with a “special military operation” which surprisingly lasted so long and involved all your military personnel and weapons. Bruh this isn’t fucking 19 or 20th centuries. Come out of your fucking cave damn it. It’s frustrating man. Just let people live their lives. Focus on the damn economy and trade and stuff. Not this. It’s a waste of everything.

genocide
/ˈdʒɛnəsʌɪd/

the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

Because they're a nation of nazis who picked 'Z' as their new swastika. This is a derogatory term to show my utter contempt.

Looks like Mother Nature or Father Time, will take Pooptin out. Jus not soon enuff.

Stalnist tactics of colonization.

How innocent are they though? Sure they believe the propaganda so they’re fools but given the correct information they’d still chose to aid Russia. Can’t feel bad for them when they chose to go to a war zone and war happens.

I think that you don't understand how few people who end up in the military have a choice or volunteer because they want to serve. They volunteer because they have few to no other options to support themselves.

Military recruiters know this and swarm those high schools/areas. I went to a high school in rural CA with less than 25% of most graduating class doing any post secondary schooling due mostly to economics. We had at least one branch of the military on our campus every day of the week. My husband, who grew up in a wealthy bay area suburb never saw a military recruiter on campus. Period.

The war is also a genocide of Russian minorities with extra steps.

I see! Thanks for the explanation!

How come?

There are plenty of Russians who haven't lived in Russia for years and have been openly and vocally against the invasion since day one.

Is it because they haven't personally assassinated Putin yet?

I thought it was created specifically to be a bigoted, anti-russian term. Did it/does it have a different meaning? I've only seen it used by people who now believe all Russians are bad because of the invasion.

Asking genuinely.

because I'm generalizing. I'm not saying that can't change on a person to person basis, but that would be my initial reaction.

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I remember hearing that in WW2, Stalin would often not allow civilian evacuations to motivate the soliders to fight harder.

Great, just what we need. More civilians in an active warzone.

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Bold of You to asume You are gonna be alive if You surrender to the ukranian troops good luck if You surrender to azov aidar kraken or the nacionalist

See? The propaganda’s already working. Say they believe in their husband’s rape of civilians during wartime and suddenly bombing auntie and meemaw doesn’t sound so bad.

When I say ruzzians, I'm referring to culturally ruzzian. The people who always bend the knee to authoritarian strong men, have no problem waging war and genocide against their neighbors, and only ever resist the government when it bites them in the ass. The Russian guy who fled to America 20 years ago and protested the war from the start? Not a ruzzian. The Russian woman who followed young Ukrainian girls around shouting pro-war slogans in Germany and getting upset she will be deported? That's a ruzzian. The Russian woman in NZ who literally helped her son flee conscription, but then went on to fund raise for the ruzzian army? That's a ruzzian. The people sitting at home, complacent in cultural genocide in Ukraine and buying into propaganda saying that Ukraine was a mistake? You guessed it, ruzzians. People like Navalny who tried standing up to Putin and lost it all? That's a hero, not a ruzzian

If Putin was my dictator I would probably take this risk over dying on the front line lol

Meh I think putin just doesn't want to have to pay them for their dead sons if they are dead too

Why do they think they need to supply their soldiers? Drills?

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The people downvoting me. is really easy to find videos of russian pow getting executed War is hell