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Osiris32 t1_iug9ie1 wrote

Right wingers, wreck yourself before you Czech yourself.

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Unicorn_Colombo t1_iugjzah wrote

This is such a brain-dead comment given that this is essentially pro-government rally and the current government is right-wing. Maybe you should stop Czeching if you know nothing about Czechia?

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MrSpaceGogu t1_iugr93c wrote

It was literally a counter protest to the extreme left AND right orgs that had a pro-Russia one the previous day. Yes, the current government is mostly center-right to right, but how is that relevant? My brother in christ, even the title makes it clear that this was against extremists.

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Unicorn_Colombo t1_iugzbo0 wrote

So let me be clear. You agree that the anti-government protest had everything from extreme left to the extreme right, populists, anti-everything, pro-russian collaborators etc.

You also agree that our current government is right-wing. Like ODS, the traditional right-wing party (ČSSD used to form the traditional left), KDU-ČSL which are Christian conservatives, TOP09 which split from KDU-ČSL because they (KDU) weren't right-wing enough. Only Pirates are kind of on the left, but even they like to present themselves and centrist.

You also agree that the current rally is essentially pro-government, support for the government and their current steps/politics, including the political support of Ukraine.

Yet, despite all this, you find it alright and proper interpretation of the situation when someone says:

> Right wingers, wreck yourself before you Czech yourself.

So tell me fellow heretic, should the current right-wing government wreck itself?

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DTHCND t1_iuh68bt wrote

> You agree that the anti-government protest had everything from extreme left to the extreme right, populists, anti-everything, pro-russian collaborators etc.

They didn't say any of that. In fact, they said the exact opposite of some of these things; they said the protest was in response to an earlier pro-Russia protest by some extreme left and extreme right organizations. At no point did they mention "populists" or them being "anti-everything."

> You also agree that the current rally is essentially pro-government, support for the government and their current steps/politics

They didn't say this either.

> Yet, despite all this

Despite all what? Despite all the words you're putting in their mouth?

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Unicorn_Colombo t1_iuh8a9h wrote

> They didn't say any of that. In fact, they said the exact opposite of some of these things

Which exact opposite? Be specific.

> At no point did they mention "populists" or them being "anti-everything."

They didn't mention that. I just provided more context.

Have you read what kind of people were there? Do you know anything about it? Would you disagree that there were populists on the anti-government protest?

> They didn't say this either.

They reacted to a post that specifically claimed that... and they didn't disagree either.

> Despite all what? Despite all the words you're putting in their mouth?

I am not. I am trying to establish baseline by describing the reality.

Or do you disagree with any of the points, such as that:

a) The previous protests contained both left and right elements of the political spectrum, plus various populist, possibly russian actors, etc.

b) The current rally is pro-government as it expresses support of governments policies, especially regarding the current situation in Ukraine

c) Government is right-wing

I can support all these statements with links to Czech articles, twitter, videos etc.

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Osiris32 t1_iuhwb3t wrote

> They didn't mention that. I just provided more context.

That's called "lying."

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DTHCND t1_iuilz63 wrote

> Which exact opposite? Be specific.

I already was. Here's what I wrote again: "they said the protest was in response to an earlier pro-Russia protest by some extreme left and extreme right organizations." So no, they did not say the protest consists of "pro-Russian collaborators" nor the "extreme left" nor the "extreme right."

> They didn't mention that. I just provided more context.

Yes, I know. Like I said, you're just putting words in their mouth.

> Have you read what kind of people were there? Do you know anything about it? Would you disagree that there were populists on the anti-government protest?

I don't particularly care. I'm just pointing out that you're being a dick and arguing in bad faith. You're making stuff up and acting like the person you're replying to said stuff that they didn't. It's not cool.

If you think you have a valid argument, you should be able to argue it without making up lies about what the other person said.

> They reacted to a post that specifically claimed that... and they didn't disagree either.

No, they didn't. The post "they reacted to" doesn't claim this protest is "pro-government" either. It also doesn't claim it supports their "current steps/politics."

> I am not. I am trying to establish baseline by describing the reality.

Yes, you are. They didn't say almost everything you claimed they did. Heck, you even admitted to putting words in their mouth in the first paragraph of your reply to me. Just to jog your memory: "They didn't mention that. I just provided more context."

> Or do you disagree with any of the points, such as that...

I don't have an opinion on the protests nor did I ever even remotely claim to. Like I said above, I'm taking issue with you making up strawman to argue against.

> I can support all these statements with links to Czech articles, twitter, videos etc.

Good. So instead of making up lies about what the other person said, you could have just laid out facts yourself with supporting documentation. Why didn't you just do that from the start?

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Mntfrd_Graverobber t1_iugrt7c wrote

It's a strange world when people in other countries are waving American flags again.

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CelerySlime t1_iugud68 wrote

You know there’s a large population of Americans in Prague right? It’s most likely an American at the rally.

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pjepja t1_iugy6js wrote

Nah they are probably czech. This is sort of 'counter-demonstration' against the recent anti-nato, anti-EU, anti-west, pro-russian protests. They probably have the american flag as a symbol of the western world.

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Unicorn_Colombo t1_iugzk2c wrote

> They probably have the american flag as a symbol of the western world.

Why? No one considers an American flag as a symbol of Western world since about 2000.

> Nah they are probably Czech.

Most Czechs don't really have any need to have flag of their own country, why would anyone own an American flag?

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pjepja t1_iuh04a7 wrote

>Why? No one considers an American flag as a symbol of Western world since about 2000.

People do, I do, american flag is the most 'Western flag' I personally can think of.

>Most Czechs don't really have any need to have flag of their own country, why would anyone own an American flag?

Dunno. They probably bought them specifically for the demonstration. You can buy american flag for 6 dollars in some army shop on your way to the protest easily.

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Realistic_Turn2374 t1_iuh60h3 wrote

For me the European Union flag is way more representative than the US flag, but of course, I am European. I can't picture myself or any of my European friends carrying an American flag.

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pjepja t1_iuhf378 wrote

I am european too, but USA flag just represents west for me way more than the flag of European Union. It probably depends on a person. I personally can't imagine myself carrying American flag either, but when I see one I instantly think of the 'West' unlike the EU stars.

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Realistic_Turn2374 t1_iuhrupb wrote

Yeah, I'm sure it depends on many things (nationality, region, person...). I'm Spanish.

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Drach88 t1_iuhc07c wrote

Good for them. Hopefully one day they'll kick the occupiers out of the Czech territory of Královec.

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qwerlancer t1_iugwbi1 wrote

When Czechs are on your side you know you are right.

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anchik_ t1_iugzsed wrote

Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦

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thefartingmango t1_iuie9ym wrote

Chad Czech Eurochad VS beta Russian war criminal

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billybishop4242 t1_iujb6v1 wrote

I wish our western countries could understand the threat of right wing extremism like this.

They are totally caught up on the propaganda of “both sides are bad” while the fascists shore up power.

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