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ilnimalee t1_iuhej7k wrote

Reply to comment by Yarddogkodabear in Brazil election: Lula makes stunning comeback by AdAccomplished8914

Lmaaao presenting Lula as a mere Justice victim is a complete distortion of the facts. Massive evidence, which was analyzed - and ractified - by all branches of Brazil's judicial system, points Lula as a commander of two main corruption schemes to buy out the Congress. Indeed 'Lava Jato' had some abusive measures against Lula and others but by no means he's innocent

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ska4fun t1_iujhzhx wrote

It's the full truth. No secret accounts and/or money laundering schemes were linked to Lula, two must-have for someone being painted as high level politic thief.

Massive evidence? LOL!

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ilnimalee t1_iujjizs wrote

My fucking GOD. Just listen to Palloci's testimony.

Despite all the evidence arising since the 'Mensalão', you guys still believe the guy is some kind of a holy saint... Lula was even mocked in his first term for 'not knowing anything, never' LMAOOO

Latin America and Populists: a love story

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Yarddogkodabear t1_iuhfimv wrote

Uh, listen to Greenland greenwald on Lula

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ilnimalee t1_iuhfqrj wrote

Greenland greenwald ? I'm from Brazil, I can actually read the sentences, I can see the trial footage of the minister saying Lula is the head of culorruption schemes. My critique to Lula does not mean I'm a Bolsonaro fan, but our election's reaslt is far from being something to root for

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ska4fun t1_iuji1hj wrote

Tinha que ser gado filho da puta mesmo.

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Yarddogkodabear t1_iuhm62n wrote

"I'm from Brazil" Just look at the facts. I mean, half of Brazil votes "yes" to a fascist/bigot Balsinaro so does Brazil understand its own problems is a reasonable question.

As a Canadian I would argue most Canadians are in the dark.

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ilnimalee t1_iuhn1lq wrote

In which part did I defend Bolsonaro? My point is clear: massive evidence suggests Lula was chief of two major bribery schemes to buy out he Congress. This doesn't imply Bolsonaro is better. My answer was to dismantle a narrative in which Lula charges were disregarded. No, they were not disregarded. The whole trial and its findings were reverted and got back to another instance.

Imagine that Dahmer, the murderer, was convicted by a court in New Jersey and arrested. After appealing, one court decided he was judged in the wrong Jurisdiction and sent all the proceedings back to another place, I don't know, Washington D.C, for instance. By no means Dahmer is 'innocent'.

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Yarddogkodabear t1_iuhoro6 wrote

Listen. I love you. You're dialed in.

Have a great day and congratulations on your countries swing away from Fascism.

I'll have a look at glenn greenwald on Lula again. It's been a few years and I'm wondering what new evidence has come out.

I think the take away on justice in 2022-23 is there is pressure from elites and fascists to push backnto preserve not only their crimes but the criminals want growth rate in their criminal enterprise

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