Submitted by DoremusJessup t3_yf5ujr in worldnews
I'm not religious, but even then, yes please
Yes please! Brazil doesn’t deserve four more years of destruction.
Lula is part of why Bolsonaro got elected... the division and polarization will still be there.
there is no debate on the division, but Lula isn't the media circus that lead to the dilma impeachment, rightward lunge, and ultimately the election of Jair
the only fault of lula is the whole kangaroo trial headed by moro
Same party… same corruption levels.
man i am so happy to see the corruption talk back.
What do you mean, back? It never left, just changed colours.
The IMF is why Bolsonaro got elected
Lula already had solved the issues with IMF before.
There's other causes and issues related to why Bolsonaro has been elected.
And who fucked up enough to call the IMF?
What are you guys even talking about?
Brazil doesn't owe any money to IMF. Lula paid all the debt in his first government and then actually lended money to IMF.
Ripple effect from the financial meltown, imposed austerity.
Wallstreet, Greece, those German banks.
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Bolsanaro makes Trump look tame. So I hope this Silva guy wins.
He's known as Lula.
His name was Lula, he was a showgirl…
…wait hol up…
“This Silva guy”, lmao. It’s Lula.
He makes Trump look like Mary Poppins.
This "Silva" guy was president of Brasil before.
SiIvaGunner for president
Lula was already president for 8 years and did terribly. Brazil doesn't need either of these two. They're both garbage.
The poverty rate plummeted under his tenure and literacy increased. But sure go off with the "both sides the same" crap.
Choice between two evils. Welcome to democracy.
Better than the alternative “Evil - No choice.”
Logically, yes. Psychologically, no.
It's a bit like a trolley problem: you have 5 people on 1st track, 1 on 2nd track, and trolley is running towards the 1st. You can pull the lever and save 4 people - but your mind will get fixated on you killing that poor 1.
Speaking of which, I highly recommend VSauce's "Mind field" series. I think s2e1 was dedicated to it, I think.
This comparison is completely nonsense and I have no idea what you’re trying to say.
That sometimes having no choice is better from some perspectives. Sorry if I did not deliver that thought, I should've specified.
Edit: Also, sorry for even bringing it up, but that episode left a lasting impression on me, and I can't stop recalling it whenever anyone says having some choice is better than having none.
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He is the most beloved president in brazils history. History rates of lifting people out of poverty. Smashing child hunger, etc…. Idk how you could possibly look at lulas 8 years and not see a good President.
Global recession fucked him over, as did the IMF
I'm surprised Silva would even be able to win. I would have thought Bolsonaro would have done everything he could to cheat or make voting harder. If he loses will he try not to leave?
Oh he’s definitely going to pull a Donald Trump and contest the election on baseless claims if he loses.
Probably : "He’s stated that only God could remove him from office and has for most of his four years in government sought to undermine institutions that impose checks and balances on his powers. He has repeatedly cast doubt about the reliability of the country’s electronic voting system, even claiming without proof that the 2018 election was rigged against him because he didn’t win in the first round." - Washington Post.
He’s more on the “we got cheated” side like Trump. The current supreme courts were largely appointed by Lula’s party in the past and have taken some actually questionable action against Bolsonaro propaganda, which gave him ammunition to go back to a discourse of questioning the election. To be fair, before the courts acted to reduce his screen time and censor opposing media, he was turning the tables to win the election, so court action was pretty obviously politically motivated (and might have been worth it for the PT).
Rhetoric aside this is the only thing that is ACTUALLY at stake in this election, SC justice appointments: if Lula wins he’ll have full control of the top-level legal system again, if Bolsonaro wins he’ll have some control. Either will try to eliminate the other using this.
Lol Bolsonaro supporters really live in an alternate reality.
Bolsonaro is the one wanting to do like Venezuela and increase the numbers of STF ministers to have the majority lol
800% chance that Bolsonaro goes full Trump and claims he got robbed. Unfortunately, democratic norms are weak enough in Brazil that he might get away with just refusing to leave.
Plus he has the military’s backing him so I think this will turn into a bloody civil war.
Always funny to hear the media talk about this “Bolsonaro was an Army Captain so the military supports him …”
He was in for ~15yrs and didn’t make it beyond Company Grade Officer. He never had any serious responsibility and was effectively booted out for insubordination and a potential terrorist plot! Dude was a shit officer and an alleged traitor.
He’s a useful idiot and a puppet for other hardline right-wingers. Not some beloved military hero.
He may be 'leftist' but I have no doubt that he'll be as corrupt as every other Brazilian politician. Still marginally better than Bolsonaro I suppose, although that's not a high bar.
I believe he was funneling CCP money through a chain of car washes he owned. So yes, it does appear to be a corrupt individual.
He is known to be corrupt. He was president for two terms, stole people's money and was thrown in jail during Operation Car Wash. Somehow his lawyers got him free and now he's running for a third term. If he wins, he will be the second longest running president in Brazilian history, after Getúlio Vargas (18.5 years).
Operation Car Wash was 100% discredited as politicized - including the lead prosecutors colluding with Judges - and his case specifically was a sham. That is why he's free.
no, he's free because they magically figured out that the operation shouldn't be in Curitiba, but in another place. Thats the reason they said. They literally couldn't use any proof the discredit the car wash since telegrams message that says about nothing and were taken by a hacker cant be used as proof.
we all know that the supreme court became heavily politized, for me its rather strange people that hates Eduardo Cunha and Renan Calheiros siding with their same interests simply because they like a personality.
There were two Habeas Corpus. One regarding the partiality of Moro and one regarding the territorial competence of the 13th Federal Court of Curitiba. The second one was judged first, and lead to the release of Lula. However, the second one was also judged to be in the right and the partiality of Moro was recognized by the Supreme Court
his party leaded the 2 biggest corruption scandals in brazilian history when in power (only one wasnt enough to get hid of them, now people want them back).
he was the president during part of both scandals, his successor Dilma was the president when the second one was found.
i mean, i usually null my vote, but i still prefer the forest burners and no vacs than a "cleptocrat" (as said by a supreme court minister)
First of all, the bribing of congressmen in exchange for favorable vote for legislation is a form of corruption inherent of the Brazilian congress, not of the president itself. It wasn't invented by neither Lula or Bolsonaro, but both took part of it because if they didn't they could easily get impeached by the congress over "technicalities", which is exactly what happened with Dilma Rousseff who had a more hardline approach against corruption.
Having said that, the amount of money that Lula's government spent on this scheme pales in comparison to what Bolsonaro did by a order of magnitude, aside from the type of legislation that Bolsonaro bought from congress that only favored the economical elite in the country in detriment of the poor and the middle class.
thats pretty much how i see it, yes.
im not a supporter from any side, i just hate one more than the other.
The biggest corruption scandal in Brazil is being uncovered right now thanks to Bolsonaro's orçamento secreto.
which receive massive support from PT, and passed with the president's veto
Not true. He vetoed the first time, possibly to not look complicit, and didn't the second time, and the congressmen who were in favour of it weren't from PT but instead from Bolsonaro's party and his allies.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 57%. (I'm a bot)
> Brasília - Leftist challenger Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva's lead over far-right incumbent Jair Bolsonaro has widened slightly three days from Brazil's polarizing presidential runoff election, according to a poll published Thursday.
> Lula has 53 percent voter support to 47 percent for Bolsonaro, according to the poll from the Datafolha institute - up from a four-point gap the previous week.
> Lula, the charismatic but tarnished ex-president who led Brazil from 2003 to 2010, won the first round of the election on October 2 with 48 percent of the vote, to 43 percent for former army captain Bolsonaro.
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Lulinha ❤️❤️❤️
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Lula ladrão, roubou meu coração ❤️ AQUI É PT!!!
So fucking scary that someone would vote for Bolsonaro, much less almost half…
Why does every election everywhere seem to be between one totally evil choice vs a slightly less evil one
Because (generally speaking), the best minds don’t go into politics.
I like Bukele, though
I hope they don't get any of that 'operation condor' type freedom that certain groups like to help with.
Not holding out much hope for Brazil...... Crazy or Corruption...... Choose now.
A hard race to get excited about either side.
2 corrupts.
Has Lula stepped back from any of his pro-Venezuela/Russia positions?
No wonder this election is so close when he can't distance himself from Venezuelan socialists.
Bolsonaro has close ties to Russia and China too. He visited Moscow after the invasion of Ukraine.
No matter who wins Brazil will remain neutral in the great power political chess game. But only one of the two candidates is a fascist who is burning down the Amazon.
Has not
venezuela, iran, cuba, nicaragua...
i think theres some kind of fetish on anything that challenges the US, even if its a bloody dictatorship.
Old Latin-American leftism is decidedly nationalist since it was essentially USSR-instigated hate on US capitalism, with a tinge of pan-Latin-Americanism and “Cuba is great”. After the USSR failed the Brazilian left in particular was left with decent funds and power but not much of an aim, and Lula made it into a more moderate center-left thing, with a go-ahead from financial markets, that was tame enough to actually get elected (and stayed in power for 16 years). BUT even he still has some of the anti-US revolutionary feel left lol
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Dear God please let him win