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HiImTheNewGuyGuy t1_iuejo65 wrote

The Russian response? Starving non-combatants by not allowing grain ships to transit the Black Sea.

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Wompawompa1 t1_iuguy8o wrote

It’s no different than how sanctions effect non combatants around the world. Somehow innocent people always carry the water.

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what-the-puck t1_iufq2x9 wrote

Edit: I didn't develop this talking point. I don't believe the drones took they path Russia says they did.

But that is all 100% irrelevant to my point. My point is that this is one of the smarter things Russia has done lately. No I'm not saying it's acceptable or defensible or smart, only smertER. Certainly smarter than sending a half million untrained unequipped civilians to the front lines.

I say this because they actually stand a chance of maintaining their remaining shred of reputation on a global scale (ie. not with the West), despite literally preventing ships of food from going to nearly-starving countries. Because they've tied the attacks on Sevastopol directly to the grain shipment corridor, doing so with no evidence but in what is basically an irrefutable way since nobody is going to provide evidence to the contrary of how they carried out a successful, novel attack on Russia's Black Sea navy stronghold. In the short term they'll give away grain to pretend they're not deepening famine, while it's probably Ukranian grain they've stolen anyway.

It simply isn't the stupidest thing they've done this month.

Unedited original post: They actually made a smart argument - they allege that navigationL data pulled from a downed drone indicates it was launched from a vessel in the grain corridor and navigated through the corridor before turning towards Sevastopol.

It's probably not true, but at least it's a justification for ending the grain transport agreement thing.

I am of course NOT saying I believe it's a valid justification. But at least it is A justification, when usually they don't bother or just make something nonsensical up.

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Kjartanski t1_iuftr0l wrote

And you believe that they didnt just fake up some nav logs because?

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what-the-puck t1_iug6xrx wrote

No

I said I didn't believe that

I said "It's probably not true"

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IdesOfMarchCometh t1_iugk1ih wrote

So you just repeat Russian propaganda lies, got it

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what-the-puck t1_iugqt4u wrote

No, the point was not that the facts are true.

The point was the facts are probably false, but they logically support Russia's actions.

In order to show they're false, what's necessary? Well, whoever carried out the first wartime surface-drone attack on a ship in the history of the planet, needs to give away information about how they actually did it. That's not going to happen obviously.

So, Russia has come up with a scenario where they can do something they desperately wanted to do - kill the grain program - while having "A justification" (to quote myself from above with all the same caveats) to do so.

Again, they usually aren't that smart.

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Drak_is_Right t1_iuepzvg wrote

I wonder if it would be possible for Ukraine to get some actual torpedoes into range of these ships

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stay_fr0sty t1_iufgpv0 wrote

If they can fly a drone there, I’m sure they could get an unmanned boat to follow the drone’s signal.

Technically I think it would be possible. I’m not sure of the barriers that prevent it.

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wehooper4 t1_iufj3og wrote

They used drone boats.

But fitting one of those drone boats with a real torpedo would very much fuck up the Russian fleet there.

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PrimarySwan t1_iufd4yy wrote

Would be kind of a suicide mission but they could charge into Sevastapol with a torpedo boat.

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djsizematters t1_iug15rj wrote

Or like... a remote controlled torpedo?

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PrimarySwan t1_iugbswu wrote

Sure they just did something similar with a surface drone. Long range propulsion is tough for a torpedo though, unless it's just below the surface and has snorkel like WWII U-boats to power a diesel.

Normal torpedoes don't have hundreds of km range, maybe a few dozen.

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autotldr t1_iueg3e2 wrote

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 90%. (I'm a bot)

> Russia's Black Sea flagship vessel, the Admiral Makarov, was damaged and possibly disabled during an audacious Ukrainian drone attack over the weekend on the Crimean port of Sevastopol, according to an examination of video footage.

> After examining stills photos, it concluded: "Only the Admiral Makarov matches this class for the Black Sea Fleet." The video stops when a drone reaches the Russian boat, it added, with the unmanned vessel "Likely" blowing up on impact.

> In the wake of the Sevastopol attack the Kremlin said it was pulling out of a UN-brokered grain deal that allows civilian ships to export grain and fertiliser from Black Sea ports.

Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: drone^#1 Russia^#2 Sea^#3 Ukraine^#4 attack^#5

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Knut79 t1_iuf4ryb wrote

I tjpugh their black sea flag ship had transformed into a flag sub.

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HermeticAbyss t1_iufzk0p wrote

This is... was their replacement flag ship.

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idontagreewitu t1_iugvur6 wrote

Kinda like how when you bomb the #2 al Qaeda leader, everyone left gets promoted.

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U5K0 t1_iuesctu wrote

again

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TheNakedMars t1_iugyyk3 wrote

Oh nosers, russia! Not another one! :)

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