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Your_Trash_Daddy t1_itzt7sg wrote
It's really easy to understand, when you see that some people think they have some sort of god-given right to force others to live only in the way that they've been told by their religious leaders that people have to be.
Those leaders tell them that a made-up, giant all-encompassing Sky being wants them to do whatever the leader tells them to do. The fact that those leaders prove time and again that they themselves can make no claim to any moral high ground doesn't matter. They've been raised to believe authoritarians, punished when they didn't, and it was all done lovingly in the name of their religion.
They literally think they have the right to intervene in the in the lives of others who aren't affecting them in any way, to force those lives into a different pattern- a pattern that makes them, the perpetrator, more comfortable, and allows them to pat one another's back for having accomplished "God's work."
HutSutRawlson t1_iu0gcp7 wrote
Not to say that there’s no religious discrimination involved, but the majority of transphobic remarks I’ve seen are based on people’s interpretation of science, not religion. Homophobia definitely seems to have more of a religious bent to it than transphobia.
Your_Trash_Daddy t1_iu244vf wrote
When you say people's interpretation of science, now you're talking exactly about what I said. It's not an interpretation of science, it's just parroting what their religious leaders have told them to think. Very few, if any, are aware of any science at all. Science is just one of those things a lot of religious leaders are against - and this goes back as far as anything even vaguely approaching science has existed. It has always been negated and fought by religion.
But you know, the internet makes everyone an expert on everything, because they Googled something, without regard for the fact that Google's algorithm is designed to give them more of what they already like. Yet somehow they think this is objective. So anyone quoting science, as the reason why they are transphobic, is highly suspect. Chances are, no science was actually involved.
wpmason t1_itztoo0 wrote
“When you see that some people think they have some sort of god-given right to force others to live only in the way that they’ve been told…”
FTFY
Your_Trash_Daddy t1_itzukc4 wrote
Pretty sure an incomplete sentence is never a fix. Or perhaps it is, if you.
wpmason t1_itzuvgi wrote
It’s not an incomplete sentence, I just didn’t copy the beginning part.
>It’s really easy to understand when you see that some people think they have some sort of god.
Transfer_McWindow t1_iu01ik0 wrote
How dare they interrupt my white privileged life through the extreme inconvenience of having to call him a her now.
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smcgregor93 t1_iu1sypm wrote
good riddance!
autotldr t1_itzrg8h wrote
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 80%. (I'm a bot)
> An SNP minister has resigned over Scottish government plans to make it easier for someone to change their legally-recognised gender.
> The first minister said concerns had not been raised ahead of the vote, although Ms Regan was one of 15 SNP parliamentarians who signed a letter urging the government not to "Rush" gender reforms in 2019.
> In her resignation letter, Ms Regan said: "I have considered the issue of Gender Recognition Reform very carefully over some time. I have concluded that my conscience will not allow me to vote with the government at the Stage 1 of the Bill this afternoon."Consequently, I am writing to resign my position in the Scottish Government as Minister for Community Safety.
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Disastrous_Law_3500 t1_iu0u68q wrote
Get mad TERFs. FYI, this has NOTHING to do with access to women-only spaces. No one is asking to see legal documentation before using a restroom, nor does any such requirement exist.
20person t1_iu2iisd wrote
TERF Island gonna TERF Island
Rexia t1_itzqthf wrote
Hey cool, added bonus.
Your_Trash_Daddy t1_itzsnjk wrote
Flushed out another regressive transphobe. I don't think this resignation is quite the statement she thought it was.
jojorood t1_iu10gar wrote
that part of the world is just obsessed with bathroom assult.....is it already an issue? are women already in existential danger whenever they take a piss? is there an epidemic of toilet assaults that world should be aware of?
FeckThul t1_iu03406 wrote
> Some campaigners, however, believe that allowing people to "self-identify" could have an impact on rights that women have fought for decades to secure. There is also concern about the impact on women-only spaces, including changing rooms, hospitals and refuges.
Are there any protections in place to assure that doesn’t happen?
Grig134 t1_iu0ggak wrote
How is that not covered by existing laws? Rape was still illegal last I checked.
E: Lol, I was blocked for this?
FeckThul t1_iu0gqnf wrote
Who’s talking about rape? The whole “trans rapist” line is almost exclusively a disingenuous and bigoted talking point and I never raised it.
jojorood t1_iu10x4b wrote
I mean, making women vulnerable to rape is the fake issue that politician was quitting over, and England/Scotland/that whole part of the world lives in deep fear of bathroom ambush predators suddenly being a thing if they stop clinging to their dated bullshit
Grig134 t1_iu0hi0y wrote
Well what are your concerns? Your post was intentionally vague.
FeckThul t1_iu0i28l wrote
These aren’t my concerns, I’m not a woman and never had to fight for things like a safe space for my gender, and I won’t pretend to speak for them. I’m familiar with the debate however, which usually centers on rape crisis centers, gender-segregated accommodations on trains, and similar situations. The concern isn’t about assault, and frankly I think the concerns are overblown, but as I’ve said… my experience in life is profoundly different from a woman traumatized by men. For me there’s no problem accepting trans women as women, but again, I have the privilege of having no baggage with AMAB people.
Grig134 t1_iu0ilo2 wrote
Lol, good to know you don't have any concerns. Odd that you decided to comment anyway.
> I’m familiar with the debate however
Yes, the debate is to vaguely allude to trans people being rapists, attempt to ban them from shelters, and then backtrack if called out. I too am familiar with the debate.
FeckThul t1_iu0iszx wrote
It’s unfortunate that you’re ignoring 99% of what I’m writing in favor of sentence fragments and whatever you believed coming into this.
Grig134 t1_iu0j8ma wrote
You quoted a section of the article saying there were concerns with the law. When asked about it you said you have no concerns and don't know what they would be. You're so obvious disingenuous it's hilarious.
FeckThul t1_iu0jnji wrote
Believe it or not, acting in bad faith because you assume I must be too is not really the basis for anything constructive.
Grig134 t1_iu0kljg wrote
Then make a point. What are your "concerns"?
FeckThul t1_iu0kxmt wrote
When did I say that I have concerns? I quoted an article in which people who are not me expressed concerns, I can’t read their minds.
Grig134 t1_iu0m8kt wrote
> I can’t read their minds.
But you can read their statements. This is a "destruction of women's rights" according to JK Rowling, one "concerned" individual mentioned. You did read the article I'm guessing because you managed to quote part of it.
FeckThul t1_iu0mg5p wrote
JK Rowling can blow it out of her many gaping sphincters, and the existence of transphobes like her doesn’t invalidate the concerns of women who aren’t scumbags.
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FeckThul t1_iu0ioeq wrote
> Human rights of women will not suddenly become null and void because a transwoman who had a sex change operation will be sent to a woman shelter instead of a man shelter after having been attacked.
Did anyone claim that?
> Or do you believe that trans people should be segregated from the rest of society?
As a cis man I don’t feel it’s my place to tell cis women that they need to suck it up and just get over whatever trauma they might have around AMAB people, “for the cause.”
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Quadrassic_Bark t1_itzyzyr wrote
What’s wrong with it? Or in other words, who fucking cares? It’s just about the most meaningless thing imaginable to anyone who isn’t trans. So people want to “change their gender” on paper. Whoopty doo. Again, who cares?
ASD_Detector_Array t1_iu02uxp wrote
For anyone struggling to understand, there's no easy way to stop rapists and pedos exploiting such laws. Raising this concern is wrongly called anti-trans.
You'll also see a lot of people pretending not to understand the issue: "Being nice to poor helpless trans people is not a crime, have mercy." It's a distraction tactic. Don't engage.
Wrecker013 t1_iu03xfw wrote
Rapists and pedos have always had the option of dressing up as a woman to invade such spaces for criminal activity. Allowing legitimately trans people makes no difference.
And if that legitimately trans person just so happens to also be a piece of shit criminal, then deal with them. Just don’t assume that because trans people are allowed it’s going to cause some sort of crisis, there’s no evidence to support that.
NotSoldOnThisOne t1_iu06o5k wrote
For anyone struggling to understand, this guy just stated that there are dressing room police who already stop people from using the incorrect dressing room, and that passing this legislation will allow trans people to roam free and rape your children in the dressing room, with absolutely no intervention from the dressing room police.
Dark days coming when the dressing room police are letting us down. /s
For everyone else not aware, this is called a "Boogeyman" and is a very clear sign that the person is attempting to use your ignorance to a situation against you, by using a made up situation to scare you into making a reflexive choice.
How many trans pedo rapists have been charged? Where are these dressing rooms where they check your gender before you go in? How many of you have EVER even seen a trans in a dressing room.? What does the Government acknowledging someone's gender have to do with a private business' dressing rooms?
These people are a scourge on humanity. Do not engage.
Safe_Base312 t1_itzs9th wrote
Why do so many people act as if someone changing their gender disrupts their own lives? Just show the same basic respect to them as you would if Harry changed his name to Alfred. Not a hard concept.