Submitted by HairySquid68 t3_yfns2w in worldnews
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Xiaxs t1_iu4df7u wrote
Coulda just stopped at "we're taking the civilian population out" and it'd still be a true statement.
HermitKane t1_iu4jnd8 wrote
Russian hands “untied” from conventional warfare is what happened in Aleppo.
eske8643 t1_iu639wi wrote
They are only taking the russian friendlies out. The rest are being deported to gulags
CantaloupeUpstairs62 t1_iu68gb9 wrote
Forced conscription
canadatrasher t1_iu4bixq wrote
BBC, please stop uncritically repeating Russian propaganda.
MaintenanceInternal t1_iu4c6uh wrote
It's crazy how they were more anti Russian when referring to Corbyn than they are about Russia or the shit chewing Putin.
Terminator25483 t1_iu4cinp wrote
They're journalists. It's their job to be objective and not take a side. They're reporting the facts and just because you want them to be critical or something doesn't change their purpose. I applaud their relative objectivity when compared to NA big media that I see all the time
canadatrasher t1_iu4d5l0 wrote
>They're reporting the facts
It's not a "fact" that there ever was a civilian pull-out.
It's not a "fact" that it was "ended."
It's not a fact that there will be a "Kherson battle."
So there are three non-facts in the headline alone.
So this is not "reporting facts." This is repeating propaganda.
dbratell t1_iu4lr98 wrote
You never even opened the article did you?
It starts
> Russian officials say they have completed an operation to move civilians out of the southern city of Kherson ahead of an expected battle with Ukrainian forces. > > At least 70,000 civilians are said to have crossed the Dnipro river, in what Ukraine has called forced deportations.
And then it goes on explaining the circumstances and that there are approximately 150k civilians left there.
If you wanted to bash the BBC you choose the wrong article.
canadatrasher t1_iu4maew wrote
> It starts.. "Russian officials say"
No.
It starts WITH THE HEADLINE.
Yes, article is written better that the headline. However, the HEADLINE is un-factual, uncritical repetition of Russian propaganda.
Unacceptable.
defianze t1_iu5lrh2 wrote
I remember how I tried a little bit in journalism. The first thing chief taught me, was that headline is more important than the text of the article itself. All that matters is to force people to make that "click". But it was a small shitty regional newspaper and I can be wrong. But this headline really sucks. But then again, I'm Ukrainian and I'm biased as heck.
dbratell t1_iu4n5rz wrote
Calm down man.
You are screaming about things nobody, not even Ukraine, dispute. There are movies and photos of civilian cars with civilians of all ages and sexes crossing the rivier. Why do you think Ukraine call them forced deportions if they are not happening? There is no reason for Russia to say they've stopped if they haven't since that makes their military more vulnerable when crossing the river.
And everybody expects there to be some kind of battle for Kherson, whether it will be a slow siege or an attempt to cut it off from the rest of the Russian forces or a direct assault.
canadatrasher t1_iu4osix wrote
>Why do you think Ukraine call them forced deportions
Ohh, so it may be a deportation not an evacuation?
So now you agree that the article simply uncritically repeated Russian propaganda in the headline?
cool cool.
>There is no reason for Russia to say they've stopped
Russia LIES. All the time. Russia employs "firehose of falsehood" techniques constantly. "There is no reason for Russia to lie" is a position of naivete indicating that someone learned nothing over last 8 months.
I have zero reason to think that forced deportations stopped just because Russia says so.
>nd everybody expects there to be some kind of battle for Kherson
How do you know know that? It's not a fact. E.g. Russia can always chose to withdraw as they did in many other areas.
Presenting the battle as a fact is irresponsible.
Headline is trash here and you know it.
Sylvartas t1_iu4rh7i wrote
This is the Internet. Sensationalised headlines generate more clicks which in turn generates more ad revenue. Admittedly it's a pretty shitty system but that's what you get when information has to be profitable.
canadatrasher t1_iu4sef0 wrote
Would it really be so hard to say "Russia officials claim that civilian pull-out is ending in anticipation of Kherson battle."
Sylvartas t1_iu4y4ws wrote
No, but then you wouldn't have to click on the link to disambiguate the title, which is probably the point. Article titles are rarely even chosen by the article's writer nowadays
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TMWWTMH t1_iu49ai2 wrote
Civilian kidnapping .
Seahawk_I_am_I_am t1_iu4uk0u wrote
If only Putin’s dad pulled out.
Greed-oh t1_iu4ddrp wrote
"This just in, Russias's pull-out game is weak. Short bursts of small missiles common; rarely hits intended targets."
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thetemp_ t1_iu4b37o wrote
"We're taking the civilian population out, in many ways untying our hands."
There's a lot to unpack in that statement.