stegg88 t1_je973tj wrote on March 30, 2023 at 10:01 AM

Its basically the same though. No house no car no marriage.....

theassassintherapist t1_je97aix wrote on March 30, 2023 at 10:04 AM

"Bride price", especially with the quotes sounds like mail ordered brides when the reality is that it's a tradition to pay the bride's family to take their daughter into marriage. Major optics difference.

Shuber-Fuber t1_jeb3228 wrote on March 30, 2023 at 6:46 PM

Except both are correct term though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_price

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dower

And without the quote it gets even more ambiguous

Bride price is up

vs

"Bride price" is up.

And dower has a different meaning for Western world, which is functionally an optional contract that's essentially a divorce settlement.

y-c-c t1_jee5ozt wrote on March 31, 2023 at 11:08 AM

I still think the traditional term is “dowry” (not “dower” which was probably a typo) though. It’s a commonly understood term.

Shuber-Fuber t1_jef9kc6 wrote on March 31, 2023 at 4:12 PM

Dowry is payment from the bride family to the groom.

Dower is the reverse one.

stegg88 t1_je97bmt wrote on March 30, 2023 at 10:04 AM

A fair enough. I see your point now.

ThePopKornMonger t1_jeam3rd wrote on March 30, 2023 at 4:59 PM

This is why they want to invade Taiwan, get some war bribe action going on.

Hockeyhoser t1_je96f07 wrote on March 30, 2023 at 9:52 AM

Is dowry better?

tewnewt t1_jea5p5m wrote on March 30, 2023 at 3:11 PM

I would have preferred a groupon.

NETSPLlT t1_jeas7dg wrote on March 30, 2023 at 5:37 PM

Not everyone wants to share their wife with a group

Shuber-Fuber t1_jeb4o1e wrote on March 30, 2023 at 6:57 PM

Dowry is bride family payment to groom.

This is the reverse, which is called "dower", "bride dowry" or "bride price".

infirmaryblues t1_je9cqwk wrote on March 30, 2023 at 11:12 AM

I know at least in Kenya it is still informally called a bride price and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same in many other traditional cultures

bolaobo t1_jea56c6 wrote on March 30, 2023 at 3:07 PM

Most people aren’t familiar with the word “dower” though.

Shuber-Fuber t1_jeaqn3l wrote on March 30, 2023 at 5:28 PM

It's "dowry"

bolaobo t1_jear58s wrote on March 30, 2023 at 5:31 PM

No, a dowry is brought from bride to husband.

Shuber-Fuber t1_jeawq1w wrote on March 30, 2023 at 6:06 PM

Oh, ok.

ChadNoir t1_je9dvcs wrote on March 30, 2023 at 11:24 AM

Tbh they also abduct women from Cambodia and Laos to wed them, so bride prices ain't wrong

Shuber-Fuber t1_jeaqgoi wrote on March 30, 2023 at 5:26 PM

Isn't dowry essentially "bride price"? It's a price you pay for a bride?

The issue is that dowry is so rare in western countries people likely don't know what it is anymore.

theassassintherapist t1_jear42b wrote on March 30, 2023 at 5:30 PM

Yes, but read the title headline without context. Marriage rate down, bride prices up. Without any context that sounds like human trafficking/slavery and the selling of women, which is a farcry from reality.

So they are being deliberately being misleading to incite more chinese hatred.

Shuber-Fuber t1_jeayic1 wrote on March 30, 2023 at 6:17 PM

I mean if you put "dower" there it gets even more ambiguous and arguably "nefarious", because it appears you're hiding what you're doing behind an arbitrary term.

Most people don't know what dower is. "Bride price" is an accurate enough description, it's a payment for a bride, and you can at least get that concept across first before talking about the historical background.

Also it turns out that's the right term.