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vriska1 t1_jduehr1 wrote

Seems like the firing of Defense Minister Gallant was a major miscalculation, I wonder if Netanyahu coalition will even survive seeing there already talk that his far-right coalition partners will bring down the government if he suspend this meaning new elections.

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gankindustries t1_jduj8pb wrote

Really hoping his party turns on him after this insane stunt.

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grapehelium t1_jdujod7 wrote

I'll believe it when it happens. Netanyahu has made plenty of coalition promises in the past, and then when the time came to implement them he was unwilling/unable to. He did this often enough that a lot of politicians would not trust him, and that led to the last round of 4-5 elections Israel experienced.

Even if he stops the legislation now, he could also just start it up again in a few months. So is this a pause, or a cancellation, and even if it is a cancellation, can he be trusted?

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newnemo t1_jduogvc wrote

Replying to grapehelium (#2,387,087)

Yeah, Netanyahu proved his resolve when he fired the Defense minister. Any 'pause' likely won't quell protests has he has shown his hand and that he can't be trusted.

I hope some important government resignations follow the defense minister firing that will force an election.

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drowningfish t1_jduox2f wrote

What I don't understand is that this Plan was well known during the elections and yet his Far Right Party swept right back into power with an almost resounding "yes" from the voters.

What am I missing here?

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MijTinmol OP t1_jduqfpd wrote

Replying to drowningfish (#2,387,663)

>an almost resounding "yes"

  1. It wasn't that much resounding, it's just that many votes were thrown away because they were given to parties outside Netanyahu's faction that failed to cross the electoral threshold.
  2. This plan wasn't completely known during the elections, and even some who support the overhaul in principle, are uncomfortable with the aggressive way it's being legislated, without halting for a moment to address the concerns of the other side.
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Vladik1993 t1_jdurl2h wrote

Replying to drowningfish (#2,387,663)

Because like already mentioned, they mention a reform. Not THIS one, though. Not THIS way. During the election, it wasn't known that this will be based on Kohelet's instructions, it wasn't known they will be taking notes from Hungary and Poland.

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LeoGoldfox t1_jdusv4b wrote

"Is expected to suspend" and "to suspend" are two very different meanings.

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MajCassiusStarbuckle t1_jduzv42 wrote

Rightwing ideologies are incompatible with liberty, equality, and democracy and will inevitably attempt to destroy them

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yoaver t1_jdv0s0u wrote

Replying to drowningfish (#2,387,663)

A reform to aspects of the Israeli judiciary is still considered necessary by many as the system is somewhat unbalanced. BUT, this "reform", that is practically a coup, was not spoken about by anyone.

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sharingsilently t1_jdv25p7 wrote

“Even McDonalds announced it was closing its stores Monday”… for the general strike.

We have a new metric! Waffle House restaurant closings in the US is used as a metric for natural disaster severity, now we know how to track the damage to democracy! If your government has gone full-dictatorship, check out McDonalds status; if they are closed, the govt has gone too far, and will soon fall.

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takeitineasy t1_jdv3gin wrote

Replying to grapehelium (#2,387,087)

I'm worried he's doing this to buy time. He expects people to relax, get a bit more comfortable, meanwhile he's regrouping and looking for more backup. The protestors should not go home yet, unfortunately.

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MijTinmol OP t1_jdv8jiu wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,389,737)

Report me for what? It was the news report at the time, when Netanyahu was supposed to give a statement. He then changed his mind. You can't change the title of a post after you posted it.

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Cobby1927 t1_jdvaert wrote

Continue the strikes until Bebe tRump resigns.

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Wwize t1_jdvbc9p wrote

Netanyahu has no choice but to end the overhaul because of the massive strike that includes businesses closing to support the strike. A strike by workers and businesses together is unheard of. Normally businesses are on the opposite end of the strike. This is checkmate for Netanyahu. Once he stops the overhaul, his coalition will fall because the extremists will leave the coalition. He's done.

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grapehelium t1_jdvbenn wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,389,278)

to be a bit more precise, bibi has 64 seats in the 120 seat knesset. So 4 defections would produce a tie. Some legislation requires an absolute majority, i.e 61+ votes, IIRC, in order to dissolve the knesset, or setup a new government, they need 61 votes - Although I may be wrong on this point.

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beavis617 t1_jdvbwr3 wrote

Proud of those who took to the streets and stood up to this tyrant..👏

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susyarok t1_jdvim9g wrote

Suspending is not enough! He must resign!

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porncrank t1_jdvn8vu wrote

Don't be fooled -- he knows what he's doing. He'll figure out the right wording, the right timing, and get what he wants in a way that will minimize challenges to his power. He's an authoritarian and he will never just let go of something he wants.

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Malthus1 t1_jdvpgjm wrote

Replying to porncrank (#2,392,974)

My take is that if he knew what he was doing, he would never have gotten into this position. To my mind, he’s very seriously misjudged the public reception to his grab for power.

I think he’s hoping to buy time, to see if he can salvage his position. I doubt that buying time will work for him, though, as his coalition is likely to fall if he’s seen as weak and vacillating.

This gives me hope that he’s between a rock and a hard place. Though who knows, he’s survived a lot of upheavals before.

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MidniteMogwai t1_jdvtwvj wrote

Translation: they’re going to find a more subtle, secretive, means by which to achieve the same end.

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beetrootdip t1_jdw1zzk wrote

Can we not call it a ‘judicial overhaul plan’ and call it what it is? A dictatorship

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Command0Dude t1_jdw5rtm wrote

Replying to riodoro1 (#2,388,361)

Absolutely maddening that far right wingers in many countries can try to ram through wildly unpopular legislation or other chicanery but when time comes for election they either win or very narrowly lose because people just don't turn out to actually vote.

"Voting doesn't matter" is the greatest psyop of the 21st century. Whoever came up with this media campaign to encourage voter apathy is an evil genius.

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AFlyingFig t1_jdw653l wrote

Replying to Wwize (#2,391,069)

One choice is suspending the coup for a few months so the public lets their guard down. In the meantime, he can regroup with a propaganda campaign, organize gangs of thugs to deter protesters and purge key positions of any dissidents by simply firing them or by blackmailing them.

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d20wilderness t1_jdw6kk6 wrote

It's people like him that pop up in governments around the world that give me little hope in those in power. General strikes seem to be the only thing that really does anything.

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CYTTO66 t1_jdwab2p wrote

He wants to buy time for the situation to calm down and then he can return to legislation. He wants to discourage the protesters and opponents.

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Rylee_1984 t1_jdwdk82 wrote

Needs to be withdrawn. The delay is just for them to get a better handle on the security challenges now that they know this will be massively unpopular and cause huge protests and strikes

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Emotional-Coffee13 t1_jdx5082 wrote

That was fast & proof the people do have the power to implement change We can learn from this & from Germany the UK & France all facing the largest protests strikes & unrest in decades

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