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cah11 t1_jeau6fg wrote

Reply to comment by IwishIcouldBeWitty in Four bankers who helped Putin’s friend set up Swiss bank account convicted by BezugssystemCH1903

I understood your point quite well, the problem is your solution won't work at any kind of national or worldwide scale. Having an arbitrarily valued currency is the inevitable end state of any kind of economy spanning more than a couple thousand people clustered in the same place geographically.

Using your example of someone having survival knowledge versus practically useless pieces of paper only matters under the assumptions that:

  1. There is no viable method of fast, mass transit.

  2. There is no viable method of (near enough) instantaneous communication.

  3. There is no longer a functional, centralized federal government.

I find your insinuation that anyone (myself included) who doesn't agree with you on this point is a:

>genetically modified sheep like you are so domesticated it's not even funny

To be quite insulting, so this is the last time I will respond to you.

Have a good rest of your life!

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IwishIcouldBeWitty t1_jeb07ft wrote

I don't know why you think I'm trying to come up with a solution.

I'm not trying to solve any problem or even insinuate that I'm solving a problem. I am simply pointing out concepts. You're the one applying these concepts as solutions. I'm merely pointing out the fact that money is fake and arbitrary and so is power. Where are we solving something. Im merely pointing out the fact that people assume rich people are powerful, because they've acquired a lot of wealth but in the grand scheme of things money means nothing and it's not a true indicator of power.

You are the one over here taking this concept and applying it saying that we should get rid of money and whatnot. I just made the point that we could go to a bartering system and get rid of money and rich people would have no power anymore. You got hung up on the back to a bordering system. It's going to be really difficult and the prices will be arbitrary which was the exact point that I was making with money being arbitrary in itself.

You're the one getting hung up and continuing to argue about things that are off topic, then you claim to understand the concept that I'm trying to make. Yet You're talking right past me because you're applying the concept when I'm not applying the concept im merely getting it out to people who don't fully understand it cuz not everyone understands this concept.

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notrevealingrealname t1_jece7eb wrote

> I’m not trying to solve any problem or even insinuate that I’m solving a problem.

If you’re not trying to do these things then what’s the purpose of your comments?

>I am simply pointing out concepts.

Which, without the eventual lead-in to a proposed solution, is as relevant to the debate as pointing out the concept of gravity or time- not at all.

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cah11 t1_jecftau wrote

Don't bother engaging, my read on them is they aren't interested in a good faith discussion, they're here to collect upvotes while arguing:

> I don't know why you think I'm trying to come up with a solution. I'm not trying to solve any problem or even insinuate that I'm solving a problem.

in response to me saying the below quote from their original comment won't work:

> If we can learn to work together on a bartering system again, the whole idea of money would go away and these people would have zero power. We give them the power. Why we do that? I do not know because we are dumb.

They're trying to pretend they're just offering observations after literally saying bartering is the solution to wealth inequality. I'm assuming they're some unhinged /r/iamverysmart teenager who has fully bought into the idea of anarcho-libertarianism as a realistic and legitimate political position held back by the brainwashed masses too stupid to realize they're being lead on by the evil capitalists.

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rylalu t1_jed2kty wrote

People just see that you think they are being led like sheep and get defensive.

A little civil discourse goes a long way at attempting to teach the people about complicated concepts like these.

Although you may say things a little straight forward I believe it's from the heart and that matters alot. I also totally agree with most of what you say about opting out of the US currency which has been an actual approach at strangling the power of government during the colonial Era which had some long lasting effects.

I want to read David Graebers 5000 years of debt. Talks about the archeological history of money and the creation of the concept of debt. Last book he wrote before he suddenly died after he landed in Italy.

Just haven't gotten around to it yet.

Fucking pissed about this shit also.

Stay cool 😎

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