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moses420bush t1_jdytbrg wrote
If people are seeking asylum do we not have as much responsibility as France to help some of them? Many of them might have learned English as a second language and not French, some will already have relations in the UK who can make their transition easier.
Lintashi t1_jdyu502 wrote
Is it not possible to seek asylum in a legal way? If it is possible, why commit crime by crossing illegally? I have some relatives in other countries, but I would not go visiting them just by crossing the border illegally.
moses420bush t1_jdyuswy wrote
The home secretary suella braverman couldn't explain a legal route for a hypothetical asylum seeker to enter the country when being questioned about a year ago, there's a good clip you should watch. The tories have made it much more difficult to enter the country to claim asylum and all that happened was an increase in small boats and a bigger smuggling black market. We should be checking people as they come in not making conditions where more people illegally entry to the country.
Visiting family is easier than seeking permanent residence.
Crimbobimbobippitybo t1_jdwbe1x wrote
We don't ship criminals to Rwanda, so that's not really a good comparison either. We need a coherent policy, not Tory wank or Labour wank.
panzer22222 t1_jdyahzg wrote
A refugee is someone who feels their life is in danger, when you travel across several countries, anyone of which you could claim to be a refugee to get to another country you aren't a refugee anymore
Crimbobimbobippitybo t1_jdyaw43 wrote
I agree with you on that, but I don't agree with sending them to Rwanda. As I said, we need a coherent, workable, legal policy that can scale up as needed, and we need it soon. "Let them all in lol" and "Send them to Rwanda" are both dead ends.
Crimbobimbobippitybo t1_jdw4big wrote
The problem with this is that it pits Sunak and the Tories against the EU, and that is a VERY favorable position for the right wing here. They love to pretend that they're fighting for some vision of our sovereignty, rather than being bastards.
To be clear, something needs to be done about the current system of asylum, but unilateral and draconian measures designed for political theater don't help.
FeelingSinger9373 t1_jdwn3b9 wrote
Just stop the benefits and give them food vouchers instead of money
autotldr t1_jdw896q wrote
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 66%. (I'm a bot)
> A new immigration bill in the UK that aims to stop migrants crossing the Channel illegally on small boats from France is "Incompatible" with Britain's international obligations, Europe's top rights body said on Monday.
> In a letter addressed to both chambers of the UK parliament, the Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights, Dunja Mijatovic, urged lawmakers to vote against the bill proposed by British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's Conservative government.
> If passed, the bill would "Add to the already significant regression of the protection of the human rights" of refugees, asylum seekers and migrants in the UK and "Provide an incentive" to other states in Europe and beyond to adopt similar measures, she said.
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BobInWry t1_jdxdf3a wrote
Regardless of what you think about the proposed immigration law, didn't the UK depart the EU and the EU court system?
DiehardSeperatist t1_jdy7qex wrote
If you read the article, you would know this comes from the Council of Europe, a separate body from the EU that the UK is still a member of.
Inflamed_Hemorrhoid t1_jdwjg3v wrote
The EU needs to stop pretending like the Brits are serious people and just cut them off from everything. They should even block off the Channel Tunnel.
Fit_Manufacturer4568 t1_jdx8b0d wrote
Yes please.
Lintashi t1_jdw9zce wrote
France is not in the state of war or conflict. There is no reason for refugees and asylum seekers to illegally cross from France to Britain because their lives are not endangered by being in France or other european country. If they want to travel, they can do it legally. Otherwise, they are committing a crime and should be treated as criminals.