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sam1er t1_j9svriy wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in Military justice investigates Swiss fighters in Ukraine by BezugssystemCH1903

Switzerland is maybe the only country you have heard about that is pressing charges, but you have similar laws in the UK and Germany for example.

And if you read the article, both sides are concerned, they talk about someone who went too help the "DPR/LPR".

My first point still stands, this has still nothing to do with Russian money

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[deleted] t1_j9sy3m3 wrote

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DantesDivineConnerdy t1_j9t0hnx wrote

Switzerland is unique in its policy of neutrality which is the real reason this type of law is taken more seriously. It has nothing to do with "fighting on the side of aggressors" or being compromised by Russian influence.

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Hakuchansankun t1_j9szstv wrote

Yes there are similar laws in most western countries but many of these countries are allowing it, as they should.

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sam1er t1_j9tcqrk wrote

Good for them if the state allows it, but do you really want a state that doesn't follow it's own laws?

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chronicwisdom t1_j9urpl8 wrote

The argument is that those laws also exist in countries that have allowed soldiers to volunteer in Ukraine without legal repercussions. If Switzerland is the only country choosing to prosecute soldiers who volunteer in Ukraine, then it's as likely there's some conflict of interest involved as it is that Switzerland is more committed to rule of law than its European peers.

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CassusEgo t1_j9tz2a4 wrote

You mean how every state operates every day?

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Hakuchansankun t1_j9uv81e wrote

There is constructive negativity. Negativity exists for a very specific reason. Then there are just lies propaganda fear paranoia that essentially puts someone on par with a pinky nationalist scumbag.

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Hakuchansankun t1_j9uupj0 wrote

The effort your putting into twisting this into your own version of events is astounding. For example: the US govt came out publicly and stated (I paraphrase) that although they don’t want to lose anyone to this war, they won’t charge or stop anyone from going to help and they understand if anyone feels the need to do so. They even mentioned that if captured, there may be real problems with negotiating a release and you’ll likely be killed. I’m a former American combat soldier. There are hundreds of former US combat soldiers who paid to travel to Ukraine out of their own pockets, landed and were on the front lines often the same day of arrival. That’s how badly needed an experienced highly trained war fighter is needed there where you have 70 year old men engaging. You guys sound like idiots pretending that it’s just lawless chaos that preceded this, when it’s pure moral obligation and love for fellow fkn man. Pray you never live someplace that asks for or needs that.

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Hakuchansankun t1_j9uvfnj wrote

So to answer your question as simply as possible - YES, I do want a state that understands context and fkn nuance.

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Hakuchansankun t1_j9ushq9 wrote

Wow, they’re not skirting the law or allowing chaos to ferment on the streets. They specifically and VERY decisively have waived the law in this case for the sheer fact that it’s not a case in which the spirit of the law exists to begin with. They’re not looking the other way, they (we) all feel their is a moral obligation to help.

That’s what’s so fucking silly and convoluted about all of this - if Russia were being attacked by some random country unprovoked, WE WOULD HELP RUSSIA. There would be aid gushing in much the same way it is today for Ukraine.

Before the soviets and Stalin were shown to be liars, we had the lend lease act with them that sent over 11 billion worth of aid.

400,000 jeeps & trucks 14,000 airplanes 8,000 tractors 13,000 tanks 1.5 million blankets 15 million pairs of army boots 107,000 tons of cotton 2.7 million tons of petrol products 4.5 million tons of food

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