FM-101 t1_jac3j50 wrote
That makes absolutely no sense. Why would Ukraine accept that.
There can obviously not be talks while there are russian soldiers in Ukraine.
Scorpion1024 t1_jace33c wrote
It’s not meant to be accepted.
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ahac t1_jach5i4 wrote
Wars usually end when at one or both sides give up something that they didn't want to give up before. That's the whole point of wars. Talks start when foreign soldiers are still in your country.
While I don't think Russia has any intentions of ending the war without forcing huge concessions from Ukraine, the reality is that Ukraine currently can't get those territories back. They're dying without gaining anything...
navinaviox t1_jad29do wrote
I would argue that you are wrong In just about every capacity with regards to your second statement.
Given what everyone (especially Russia) expected to happen as a result of Russia invading: Ukraine falls and a puppet government put in place within 3 days/a couple weeks….any result that is not that shows success if not outright victory for the Ukrainians
Ukraine has lost some territory and some 100,000 have been killed or wounded (I’ll go find source if you like but it’s generally accepted that ukraine has lost less people and have been far better about saving casualties)
Ukraine has gained: billions of dollars in military hardware and humanitarian supplies More global attention than they’ve ever received Good will of all western nations Green light to become a most favorable nation if not a member of treaties such as NATO A fully transitioned wartime economy: pros and cons since they’re also suffering from attacks on civilian infrastructure Increased Access to western intelligence communities which will likely stay strong for many years
Feynnehrun t1_jad2eh3 wrote
That might be your reality...but that's certainly not the reality here in the real world.
swatchesirish t1_jad3lqs wrote
Defensive wars typically are about protecting what you have and not gaining anything...
PutlerDaFastest t1_jadpic9 wrote
Ok, comrade. The Russians can't fight. They are suffering the most humiliating military defeat in modern history and one of the biggest military blunders ever.
The reality is that Putin went full Hitler too soon and spilled his entire plan in an evil monologue like an Austin powers villain. His sycophants had him convinced that the Russian military could conquer Europe. They started their invasion only to find out Russians still couldn't fight and Putler had already called half the world Nazis and satanists. Putin will have to be tried for warcrimes and crimes against humanity and Russia will have to pay reparations including for the weapons and ammo Ukraine got from NATO to defeat them. Ukraine will take back all of Ukraine including Crimea.
thebestnames t1_jadalfx wrote
Russia doesn't rven control the entirety of the annexed territories and is dying in even greater numbers to conquer them, so the point is moot.
macweirdo42 t1_jaec64x wrote
"Talks" weren't the point of starting this war, though. Genocide was always the end goal. If Russia hasn't backed down from "We will erase all evidence Ukraine ever existed," there's literally no reason to surrender, since the mass executions will happen regardless.
MrBeneficialBad9321 t1_jaefkso wrote
They probably can get it back. "winning" the war is more of a challenge, but i do think they can push them out of the whole Ukraine. Including Krim.
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