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HappyStunfisk t1_ja1c0jz wrote

Reply to comment by ktchong in German leader seeks Indian support for Russia's isolation by Falls_stuff

White people this, white people that. What's up with the racism? I'm not even white and that has nothing to do with this invasion of Ukraine.

If you disapprove of old western imperialism like freaking everyone does, it should be because it was imperialism, not because it was western. Right now Russia is doing the imperialism, by invading a sovereign country to annex territories and population to restablish borders from an old empire. If that doesn't sound wrong to you I don't know what to tell you. You seem more focused on personal issues you have against white people.

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Additional-Resort-28 t1_ja246vt wrote

Not an expert but isn’t there a NATO expansion angle to that argument? Provoking Russia wasn’t a good move. I don’t know why we can’t look at all sides of this issue.

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bfnrowifn t1_ja2gjtm wrote

> Ukraine won’t join NATO

So the appropriate response to a neighbouring sovereign country wanting to make its own decisions for its own benefit is to attempt to murder the whole population and claim the country for your own?

If Pakistan invaded Kashmir and lays waste to Punjab you’d be ok with that so long as it’s in response to BRICS expansionism?

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bfnrowifn t1_ja2i0vh wrote

So…. You demonise imperialism against India but then use imperialist mentality to justify Russian invasion…..

India got colonised by Europe because India couldn’t safeguard its people against Europe. Sorry my guy, that’s the facts. Would you want foreign aid helping you defend your country? Or would you accept being colonised again by a stronger force?

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bfnrowifn t1_ja2l9vb wrote

> it’s about power

And Ukraine has a lot of power, it doesn’t matter where that power comes from. Russia should concede.

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Mk018 t1_ja6z94x wrote

No there isn't. A sovereign nation can decide to enter any military alliance it wants. Especially if it feels threatened by its neighbour. That is no justification for an invasion. Stop that propaganda.

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Additional-Resort-28 t1_jabe4ws wrote

At this point anything that doesn’t agree with a certain point of view is propaganda. Stop looking at it through a one dimensional filter!!!

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Mk018 t1_jabvejd wrote

Let me repeat it slowly for you. Ukraine is doing nothing else than defending itself from Russian aggression. There is no "both sides" argument here. If you get robbed on the street, it isn't your fault just because you had a wallet with you. That kind of thinking is completely insane. And yes, it is textbook propaganda. The same kind nazi germany used to justify its attack on czecho-slovakia back then, for example.

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Additional-Resort-28 t1_jabwmnj wrote

Thank you for repeating slowly. I read your comment very slowly. There are always 2 sides to an argument. Just saying it loudly and in unison doesn’t make it different. When governments communicate we get to hear 1% of the real communication. Can any rational being base their opinions on that little information? No. That’s why we can draw no solid conclusions unless we know both sides of the story. Denial doesn’t make it go away. What you are saying can also be classified as propaganda.

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Mk018 t1_jac04p4 wrote

Stop beating around the bush and say it clearly: in your opinion, what justification does russia have? Because ukraine isn't invading russia. In fact, ukraine has been doing nothing but defending itself for 9 years now. Ever since the invasion of crimea in 2014. Meanwhile, russia has been waging war on its neighbours for the past 30 years. Georgia, Moldova, Chechnya, Dagestan, Ukraine etc. It has been nothing but the aggressor.

So tell me, what righteous reason does russia have? What has ukraine done that justifies this invasion?

Btw, russia just renounced china's peace proposal, claiming there will be no peace talks unless russia is controlling the ukrainian territories. So like we all knew already, this is just another land grab by putin and all his excuses were nothing but lies.

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Additional-Resort-28 t1_jac27jf wrote

Supplying more ammunition and weapons isn’t making the situation better for anyone except those who benefit from the money. Ultimately wars are not good for anyone else. People with fixed mindset are scary and incorrigible. I rest my case.

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Mk018 t1_jac3k0k wrote

Ah so you don't just have no justification for russias warmongering, you actively support it. After all supplying weapons and ammunition does make the situation better by allowing ukraine to defend itself. Taking that away from them means helping russia. Not intervening means supporting russia. It's that simple.

But what did I expect from a 1 month old account with like 8 comments or whatever.

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