Card_Zero t1_j9txy5o wrote
Reply to comment by knobber_jobbler in Boris Johnson calls on UK to 'break the ice' by sending fighter jets to Ukraine - and warns China against 'historic mistake' by R1ckCrypto
I don't think Brexit was awful, and I'm not certain history books will paint it as a disaster. Currently it's seen as awful because of economic impact and because of the desire to have a strong Europe to oppose Russia, along with the insinuation that Russia was trying to engineer the breakup of Europe. However, a United States of Europe would also have been a bad thing. Unions, federations, and so on are tricky because minimal collaboration between equals is ideal and maximal central government is what tends to emerge. I know it seems irrelevant in the current climate, post-covid and with Russia rampaging around, but Brexit had an overlooked role as a backlash against that.
(It's a valid role if you're troubled by giant octopus-like central governments, I mean. Not everybody is, and I know this is an unpopular opinion, as will now be redundantly demonstrated by downvotes. It is however an aspect of the picture.)
knobber_jobbler t1_j9tzhq1 wrote
Every economist and diplomat disagrees with you. Brexit is a financial and diplomatic disaster for the UK. There is no United States of Europe and the UK would have no say in stopping it now anyway. In fact the UK leaving will likely increase ties between EU countries going forwards. We've shot ourselves in both feet.
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knobber_jobbler t1_j9u1j86 wrote
No, I read it all. I just absolutely disagree with your sentiment.
Card_Zero t1_j9u2gju wrote
Could you be a little less absolute about it, at all?
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