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Groxy_ t1_j9tgb8g wrote

Reply to comment by AMeasuredBerserker in Boris Johnson calls on UK to 'break the ice' by sending fighter jets to Ukraine - and warns China against 'historic mistake' by R1ckCrypto

That's an English definition of decimate too... They literally just used the word correctly and you're spouting shit about them twisting the argument, while twisting the argument.

How to twist an argument 101, for real.

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AMeasuredBerserker t1_j9trknv wrote

Are you honestly being for real? If someone says they are decimated or something is decimated, do they mean "I've lost 1/10?" In the traditional Latin meaning of the word?

Most people dont even know it is Latin let alone that it means 1/10!

This is twisting the argument. And it's only a reflection of absolute numbers! Not if they are using better equipment etc, like is mentioned in the goddam article alot of the money is going to Trident renewal which perhaps even more important than having a couple thousand rifles!

Want to twist and move the goalposts again?

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Card_Zero t1_j9tt5l8 wrote

This argument about words is distracting from the interesting point about whether or not Boris decreed military cutbacks (and if so, why). However, Wiktionary has both uses:

> (loosely) To devastate

> (proscribed) To reduce to one-tenth

and all the quotations in the latter case include some extra words like "to one-tenth" to make sure it's understood literally. In summary: whatever.

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AMeasuredBerserker t1_j9tv0jo wrote

I can quite literally google the word and find this:

>decimate
>
>/ˈdɛsɪmeɪt/
>
>Learn to pronounce
>
>verb
>
>past tense: decimated; past participle: decimated

​

  1. ​

>kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of.
>
>"the inhabitants of the country had been decimated"
>
>2.
>
>HISTORICAL
>
>kill one in every ten of (a group of people, originally a mutinous Roman legion) as a punishment for the whole group.
>
>"the man who is to determine whether it be necessary to decimate a large body of mutineers"

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/decimate

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decimated

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/decimate

Im interested why you put the one source, Wikitionary, the tried and tested! as the only example above all others.

But as you so eloquently put it, because it doesn't validate your point, "Whatever" you will twist it any which way to make you right.

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Card_Zero t1_j9u0jyb wrote

I'm not the same person you were talking to previously, I don't have to be right to prove any point, and in fact I acknowledge I'm wrong about everything most of the time. I just happen to like Wiktionary, it's my go-to.

I don't know about Cambridge Dictionary, but Merriam-Webster have a page of notes about this particular "problem word". Dictionary.com acknowledge that the "devastate" usage has been criticized. My feeling is that the one-in-ten usage (probably popular in Victorian times when every user of long words knew Latin) has had an upsurge in popularity over the last decade or so due to people on the internet being anal about it.

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AMeasuredBerserker t1_j9u1u1n wrote

Fair enough, I'll dial down the criticism a little, but it really did feel like you were looking for a reason that it mean 1/10th rather than using the material immediately confronted with if you googled said word. Respected dictionaries all specific state that the "1/10" meaning is historic.

I know my friends wouldn't know decimate is 1/10 and would roll my eyes if I explained its historic useage vs what everyone uses it for, but you are probably right with your last point.

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