AbandonedLogic t1_ja2get0 wrote on February 26, 2023 at 9:51 AM

Reply to comment by heavy_highlights in EU slaps sanctions on top Russia officials, banks, trade by BrandYearg525

Thanks for your opinion. Sounds like life of the average citizen is not impacted that much. Which is great to hear as I firmly believe ‘the west’ has no intention to impact any of the Russian population. I do hope however that the machine which supports the policy makers’ actions is being disrupted and they do feel the geo political consequences of their actions. And this war is made as expensive and difficult as possible to maintain for the Russian chain of command.

The agressor should be challenged, the citizens and the defenders supported. No matter which side of the conflict they are on.

Stay safe

heavy_highlights t1_ja2jtwe wrote on February 26, 2023 at 10:37 AM

To be honest, I do not see steps that could lead to the abolition of hostilities.

Well, imagine there will be no 10nm processors, what will change?

fewer tanks? or ak47 will stop producing - no

It seems to me that the problem for the West is that people use everything on themselves (let's deprive people of their phones and they will go out into the street). This will not happen.

What is bad for a citizen of a Western country is not the same as bad for a citizen of Russia (tolerate).

Compare even how they strike in France and how in Russia, the usual protests. If I am not confusing, then there was a situation with railways (drivers).

I don't remember this happening here.

And the food will not end, I will not stop bringing and producing cars (at the old factories of Ford, Renault, Nissan, and so on). They will start selling Turkish and Iranian and Chinese clothes (and people outside major cities already bought clothes without a brand - I’m talking about people who don’t watch Netflix, don’t listen to spotify, don’t drink coconut frappuccino in Starbucks, I think you understand who I mean).

And in the end I come to this idea:

The West supports Ukraine with resources, but not people.

It must be understood that Russia did not completely introduce all troops into the territory of Ukraine. Or it can introduce (and here we will have an example of how I use nuclear weapons, even if it’s already working a little badly. That is, I want to say that even if there are 1 million military men who voluntarily go to war, this is already a disaster, but Russia has troops in reserve, in addition to the regular army). So even if the equipment is bad, there will simply be more people.

I do not want to offend anyone and do not whitewash the authorities, I'm just trying to think critically. Because of the sanctions, the bullet will not get stuck in the muzzle. Because of the sanctions, brainwashed people (who did not use Western things in everyday life) will not stop trusting Putin. Because of the sanctions, life will not end, but will only provide food for propaganda.

Understanding how many resources we spend on wars and other things in our world, it would be better if we spent them on science and the conquest and study of space. F**** up. :(

somejiggyjiggy t1_ja2nlxt wrote on February 26, 2023 at 11:28 AM

What you say is sounds like average Russian who says “I am not into politics” and dont want to be affected by its countries actions, it doesn’t mean Russia hasnt affected by sanctions just because that some retail products are still availability for the public. Sanctions are heavily affected ability of Russia to wage war and ability to continue it, while Russia is using the stocks of weapons that they produced, they can’t replace them easily as before. Yes, there will be less tanks, less cruise missiles. you are greatly mistaken if you think Russian will manufacture same or more tanks or cruise missiles, while he is already begging ammunition’s from Iran, North Korea and China. EU/US countries didnt sanctions retail companies selling things in Russia, those companies left on their own, most of the sanctions were on military sectors, banking and energy. Nobody can know level of effect that Russia felt because Russia stopped sharing real economical stats. Most of Russian economy comes from energy sectors and if you know that half of the sales came from Europe, you can understand what awaits Russia in the close future. Before saying India and China, I want to remember you the natural gas. And Russia did introduce most of their troops, so this is also false. So, here you can read average apolitical Russian, where he still believes mighty of Russia, but he still doesn’t want to be affected by sanctions and thinks they are not working while Russia the military power can’t push a small village hundreds meter a day. We will see how Russia economy is effected if we will see any real stats soon. It doesn’t mean that you personally not affected yet, others are not or wont be.

heavy_highlights t1_ja2prv3 wrote on February 26, 2023 at 11:56 AM

I did not vote for those who rule now.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but I'm telling you how it looks from my side. You told me that Russia sent most of its troops to Ukraine. You can statistics and exact figures, preferably by citing links, I will be glad to read.

I say that statistically there are simply more people in Russia and among them there will be those who will go to war when they are called, no matter how many people are against it.

Regarding sanctions, I understand that sanctions don't work overnight and that they target certain sectors. And we will see the result much later.

somejiggyjiggy t1_ja2uglp wrote on February 26, 2023 at 12:50 PM

It doesn’t matter you voted or not, EU/US sanction the country and the persons who are responsible. your country’s actions effect lives of millions of people. Millions of Ukrainians has forced to leave their country, cities houses and their futures are ruined, thousands of people lost their lives, you are worried that sanctions will effect you because you didn’t vote for him:) Lol. According to cia factbook before the war russia had 850,000 active duty troops (300,00) ground troups, 40,000 airborne troops, right now its believed 300,000 troops in Ukraine, so Russia doesn’t say how many died and how many injured I dont want to make any estimations but according western official around 200,00 casulties, but if you consider Russia needed to go for mobilization and even the guy I know that who were just a conscript a few years ago now in Kupyansk after few weeks of training, we can guess that Russia uses most of military power in Ukraine. Troops are not deciding factor in war, Russians can collect 10 millions of troops but most soldiers die by artillery, if this would achieve something they would mobilize more soldiers but they dont have enough equipment. Having more people doesnt change anything if Ukraine will get much superior weapons. After we saw what happened in Bucha and other cities, I wouldn’t care less if Russians are going to have a hard time finding a bread. Russia should lose in Ukraine and forced to leave, doesnt matter what costs to Russians.