jetelklee t1_j9y2236 wrote on February 25, 2023 at 11:47 AM

Reply to comment by ArticulateAquarium in Ukraine protest: Russian tank parked outside embassy in Berlin by donutloop

Most people over here are in favour of sending hardware. Today though there is a big protest of "pacifists" who even joined hands with the far right to get their message across.

They are a minority though and simply refuse to understand that Putin cannot be repelled with "pacifism".

ArticulateAquarium t1_j9y38i8 wrote on February 25, 2023 at 12:03 PM

The article doesn't say it's a minority, it says "the German population is split almost evenly on tank and arms deliveries".

What bothers me more is the 600,000 Germans signing the petition which is "demanding Berlin step up efforts for diplomatic negotiations. “Negotiating does not mean surrendering. Negotiating means making compromises on both sides.."

Elon Musk (is a dick) was saying this and got loads of stick for doing so, as are political members of the far right in the US (who have previously been criticised for being too friendly with Putin).

I don't think there is any reason for backing off one centimetre against Putin's invaders, to let them off in any way is saying it's not so bad invading ex-Soviet countries and committing war crimes against Ukrainians.

Bravo to all the Germans who are for repulsing those invaders in Europe, and Sláva Ukrayíni! Heróiam sláva!

jetelklee t1_j9z5blx wrote on February 25, 2023 at 5:14 PM

I agree with you 100%. To my knowledge, there hasn't been any comprehensive polling in regard to the German populace's view on the delivery of Leo tanks etc. as of yet.

People are scared of the escalation any major deliveries of arms may cause. They are scared of a full on NATO-Russian war, which is understandable. They criticise NATO's eastward expansion as well as the USA's imperialist/militarist stance now and in the past. They shout "peace" but ignore Russia's utter disregard toward Ukraine's right to even exist. They are apologists and choose to ignore that Russia basically wants to eradicate Ukraine as a culture / sovereign nation.

To many, the situation is a dilemma, which is why they draw historical comparisons to US American illegitimate wars of the past.