Vahlir t1_j9hnxkk wrote
Where are all the people who were convinced the NS attacks were done by the U.S. to push the EU away from Russia? I'd love to hear their nutjob take on this one.
globular_fluster t1_j9hsiay wrote
Their take is that the warmongering Dutch, famous for their warmongering, are warmongering again and innocent Russia will only attack if attacked.
Waste-Temperature626 t1_j9huxfg wrote
The Dutch are such fanatic warmongers they have been trying to pick a fight with Atlantic ocean for a few centuries now.
Like, give it a break. Eventually she will wake up and drown you all :(
iocan28 t1_j9i3i15 wrote
They fought a war with the Isles of Scilly for more than 300 years. They’re a doggedly determined foe.
BadYabu t1_j9jmp7v wrote
You gotta understand bro that not every comment you read on Reddit is written by an actual thinking lay person.
Any article that involves Russia, Ukraine or China the trolls come in full force to disseminate carefully curated talking points.
The vast majority of Redditors who said the US did it are likely hosting multiple accounts and getting paid for it. The remaining minority are gullible fools
cymricchen t1_j9i9288 wrote
Pulitzer prize winner Seymour Hersh claimed that the US navy is behind nord stream 2 bombing. Of course, he is basing this claim on an anonymous source, so not exactly the definition of credible. But I find it very interesting that this news is auto removed when submitted to the front page of r/worldnews.
Basquebadboy t1_j9imcfm wrote
That article is wrong on several key points such as the Norwegian naval vessel being at the pipeline at the time he describes. It also banks on Norway being a war monger for profit, and its elected leadership participation in a near act of war of aggression on a neighboring country which is an enormously tall order of speculative reporting on the weakest of sources. Hersh has been more wrong than right after the won the Pulitzer price in the 1970ies or so. The more interesting question is who fed him this fantasy tale, and why?
misyo t1_j9lwbv5 wrote
Also Hersh should know better as a long time journalist, which tells me Hersh might not be as cognitively sharp as he once was at 85.
cymricchen t1_j9ktju9 wrote
Yeah, I don't see why Norway would want to take the lead in antagonizing Russia too. Too much risk for too little gain. Still, I wish that a proper post could be made and a more through discussion done on why his claims are plausible/implausible. This is what I browse reddit for and I was surprise to find that the post could not be made at all. It would be great if you can post the sources that prove him wrong.
hyldemarv t1_j9ntba5 wrote
The projection of own motivations onto Norway sort-of gives away the source - and the factual errors, lack of preparation and care, corroborate it: Russia!
misyo t1_j9lvwh7 wrote
Here's how credible reputable media outlets found Hersh's story- he had to self publish. In media world that means no one wants to touch a single anonymously sourced story with no corroborating evidence that accuses the United States of an act of sabotage. Hersh should know better frankly and write a better story with adequate sources and supporting evidence if he wants to be taken seriously. We have journalistic standards and ethics for a reason.
cymricchen t1_j9nblvh wrote
Watergate started with "deepthroat" an anonymously sourced story.
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hackingdreams t1_j9kcpml wrote
When you're linking to the New York Post and someone is quoting an "anonymous source"... you're pretty much straight up saying that this is manufactured.
All links to the New York Post should be autoremoved from any reputable news channel. They are a tabloid.
cymricchen t1_j9ks85i wrote
A pulitzer prize winner claiming something that contradicts mainstream reporting is news whether you like it or not.
He might had been lied to, he might had gotten foolish in his old age, he might had taken money, or, he might be right. Who knows, but it is newsworthy, again, whether you like it or not.
As for your claims that new york post is a tabloid, there are also lots of tabloid post here in r/worldnews. So obviously this sub doesn't mind it.
IOM1978 t1_j9iahio wrote
Censorship is a growth business in the West.
Ok-Willingness-4557 t1_j9ia80j wrote
Lololl
blablabla456454 t1_j9ibsu6 wrote
lol New York Post, haha
"Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist"
"scooped journalism’s top award more than five decades ago"
This is literally the article.
They suck his dick then he makes a "claim"??
Where is the article with proof? I would love to read that with a beer. But it doesn't exist. This is propaganda for fools. Thats why it is removed.
Basquebadboy t1_j9njta2 wrote
The extreme left in Norway is buying the Hersh story hook, line and sinker.
hyldemarv t1_j9ntpn5 wrote
Of course. The extreme left are kindred spirits to the extreme right on their own (and also totally infiltrated by TLA operatives who will help them adopt the most regarded causes)!
aaaanoon t1_j9l6tdy wrote
Allied coalition sabotage of the pipeline is entirely plausible. Did one reporter even ask about the txt leak?
I'm not saying it happened, but presuming your government wouldn't do it gives them room to do it without question.
marmarama t1_j9mhrks wrote
I'm totally open to the possibility that someone in the West blew up Nord Stream. Any evidence that may exist is not in the public domain. For good reasons, because it might be embarrassing, might cause a diplomatic incident, or it could be a trigger for a wider war.
It's just that, on balance, and particularly taking into account past behaviours, access to the pipeline, and who would benefit the most from it, someone from Russia (not necessarily the Russian government) is by some distance the most likely candidate.
aaaanoon t1_j9nd6jf wrote
I totally agree, but presumed western influence on the same logic.
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