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Most shocking and utterly unexpected

Who would’ve thought that

Fuck em both

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This isn’t surprising at all. China isn’t going to make an enemy of a neighbor as itself it loves infringing it’s neighbors borders and water resources.

China: Well the Russians aren't attacking ME, and they sell me cheap fuel so.. no comment!

So is India.

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I’m sorry what did I just read

In other circumstances, people like to talk about donor countries. This difference to the receiving countries leads to a break. This is happening now.

China is slow, that's the gist of it.

China need Russia for its resources and China does not have many friends either.

come on, title should include india not just china.

So if China is silent what does that tell you about their relationship with Russia. If the entire world were to put sanctions on China what would the impact be in the rest of the world. Both China and Russia even supported the talaban so what does that say.

Well, western countries do like to turn a blind eye when their allies do the same things.

Is India's declining to blame Russia for the war not important enough to be in the headline as well?

Can't say about this one

India isn’t even our ally though. We hate them too and they hate us likewise. They’re in that weird allied to Russia but hates China category

Dude ,it was always India in headlines till now. China was now brought to spotlight

Post this on Russian and Indian forums and watch the "whataboutism" in action

> If the entire world were to put sanctions on China

That is very wishful thinking. The Entire World has yet to put Sanctions on Russia after all and im not just talking about Russia's Friends like India and China. A lot of Non-Aligned (as in not part of the US or Russian Sphere) have basically taken no action.

You need history lessons. Take some time. Read up on 1971 and what the west’s stance on Bangladeshi genocide was and towards India trying to help them set up their independence.

Basically G20 nation's version of "thoughts and prayers".

Which is backed with billions of dollars in support.

If by 'we' you mean the Reddit diplomats, then perhaps you're right. If by 'we' you mean the western governments, then it's not accurate, as states don't have love-hate relationships like middle schoolers. The only factor that matters is whether their national interests are served through a relationship.

Truly? Personally, I've only seen articles about how the west intends to form stronger ties with India and that India shows signs of wanting closer ties with the west over Russia.

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The article states "with only China and Russia itself declining to sign a joint statement." That suggests India did sign it.

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Spoken like a true high-schooler.

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This just in: two wrongs make a right

Also, you ever hear the saying “you’re only as good as your last job”? Maybe not…

It was USSR under Brezhnev. Not Russia not Putin.

The western part of Russia you mean.

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Hold on, what tf did Norway do?

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Start hating on Greeks too my man. They invaded India in 300BC.

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Hilarious. He was joking, yet you took seriously. Indian nationalists are comedy gold.

Having sustained a genocidal invasion as you say, you'd think there'd be more sympathy for Ukraine's suffering in India.

But no, just bitter resentment and an ad-hoc reliance on 'such and such happened way back when'.

It's blatant nationalistic opportunism, you can't possibly believe Russia hasn't had imperial leanings since their inception.

But sure, snub your democratic allies for a madman's pipedream. I'm sure you'll make for considerate bed-fellows with Russia's best bud, China.

China has all interest for the western world to be focused on Russia. Any attention not spent on Putin would be spent on XI. So you can bet China is going to help elongate the war for as long as possible (until putin dies)

Is there anything more pathetic than an indian nationalist?

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"I support Russia committing genocide and rape against Ukraine because in 1971 we were genocided and raped by Pakistan."

Solid position you got there bud.

Also nice username ya got there one month old adjective noun numbers account.

Edit: Got banned for a day. Nice.

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“And we want any pretense, no matter how tawdry, to invade Taiwan!”

-also China

No- you should support Ukraine, who is being invaded and butchered. The US should not be part of the consideration.

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"We're Russia's bitch"

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So it's in India's national interest to align themselves with Russia and China? Because that's the axis your advocating. Can you at least condemn the concept of empire?

Cutting through the bullshit, let's all just admit that India has fallen victim to blind nationalism and is ironically pursuing its own version of modern empire.

History taught you nothing. Opportunists, as I said.

Do you honestly believe that Russia is 1) competent enough to help you and 2) also not treacherous

Russia's economy is shit, their military is shit, their government is shit, and they've broke several international agreements.

If you want to support them commiting genocide and rape, that's you're prerogative, but at least be honest with yourself.

He says as he supports a colonial power stealing land from a smaller country while committing rape and genocide.

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But do you realize the irony of criticizing the US and others for decades ago (also centuries, per your other comments) doing what you are, today, trying to rationalize? Why can’t we all do the ethical thing RIGHT NOW, which is to condemn the aggressor and support the victim of literal genocide?

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How very diplomatic of you, I can see valid concerns are met considerately in India. Never mind UN participation, just have your delegate put up a sign that says 'Fuck off'. You're only supporting my opinion here.

Also, it will be impossible to sustain a relationship with Russia without eventually conceding to China. How shortsighted must you be to believe a victorious Russia wouldn't favour China to India?

Picture this. Putin's best imitation of the Nazis actually pans out and his empire swallows half of Europe. What the fuck do you think china is doing in the interim? Do you honestly think Russia and China won't conspire to nibble at their middle man, India? All of those grievances built up between your nations will be settled in one direction only: China's.

I think Russia's economy is shit because they are the only developed economy that shrank last year, yes. I think Russia's military is shit because despite a huge technological and equipment advantage, they failed to invade Ukraine and are pulling tanks from the 1950s into service, yes. I think Russia's government is shit because dictatorships are inherently flawed and weak and Putin has stolen hundreds of billions from the Russian people, yes.

Good luck allying with them though, it's not like they stabbed Ukraine in the back or were planning to stab Belarus in the back or anything. Hope it works out great for you.

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Also I like how you yourself included "Russia hasn't stabbed us in the back yet"

Lmao

Which goes rights back to their respective arms manufacturers.

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I can see where you are coming from, however I don’t see Russia coming to India’s aid in a conflict with Pakistan, at least in the foreseeable future . Recently a member Of CSTO (nato’s counterpart, which Russia is a part of) has been in a military conflict and yet Russia refuses to help.

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Which goes forwards into dead Russian conscripts. Win win.

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So ethics be damned in the name of perceived security? Maybe India and the West aren’t completely dissimilar. I hope we all some day evolve from this nonsense. I am sure supporting those actively violating the sovereignty of neighboring countries will help Indians feel more secure in theirs.

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Indians aren't our allies. Just look at the comments by Indians here and on this sub as a whole.

They resent and despise us for the actions undertaken by our great grandfathers and beyond (Cold War) and later (War on terror + Pakistan)

If we ever want Indians to be allies we have to make amends for this and offer an incentive that pulls them away from Russia

But this is very unlikely, as they love Russia and see it as more trustworthy and dependable than the US, and are very wary of relying upon the West in any way.

Its the reason why their trade is growing so fast with China. They may say they hate China, and some reddit people will say they hate both but China more, but economically India imports fucktons from there and its only rising. And due to nations past action, Soviet support and American antagonism, the relationship may be too far gone to salvage

Hard to not sign something you had to write: >India, which as chair of the Group of Twenty (G20) economies was hosting a meeting in the city of Bengaluru, was reluctant to raise the issue of the war but Western nations insisted they could not back any outcome that did not include a condemnation.

And they kinda just summarized what was said in the 2 days of talks, which makes it even more silly for China to not sign

A lot of Indians do seem to hate the US and West as a whole, which makes sense.

And whilst you are correct about national interests, that too is served by domestic opinions.

Indians love Russia as they have been cultural but especially great military partners since the cold War, very dependable. So there isn't anyone upset over 90% military dependency upon Russia or relying upon em for crucial imports of certain natural resources (oil, some minerals)

On the other hand, America when being run by our great grandfathers is not reliable at all. In the Col War when India sided with the Soviets USA stupidly thought it smart to side with Pakistan, and then not only underplayed genocide but also sent ships off coast. Soviets responded with nuclear sub, in India's defense.

Hence many Indians (can see them in this thread) as skeptical of any reliance upon the West, even mutually beneficial trade and dealing between private companies.

This is one reason why China is a fast growing trade partner to India, and will likely reap even more gains from Indias growth as it exports massive amounts. Whilst some Indians online claim to hate China more than US, their money sings a different tune and we should pay attention to that.

Doesn't mean give up on India entirely as a partner, but accept it will never join any kind of military alliance and instead the best we might get is a trade deal to reduce their dependence upon China.

If anything this only explains their comment (why Indians hate us)

Just see my other comment

So you agree with the guy that India hates the US? I don't see the disagreement tbh

The document they wrote includes some statements of condemnation and how international law and the multilateral system should be upheld. These were in 2 paragraphs that are indicated as being opposed by Russia and China.

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Dude are you really taking reddit into account when you say this stuff? India is not our ally cuz of redditors?

You’re taking the words of Indian nationalists on the internet as the intent and feelings of the whole. Regardless there was recently a resolution in congress to condemn the 1971 genocide though I’m unsure of what happened with that.

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India is host and President of the G20 council this year and signed the statement condemning the war too. Only China and Russia didn’t sign it.

Only China and Russia refused to sign. Not India. So including India in the title would just be inaccurate.

Uh I don’t agree with him. I don’t think the point of that was to be pro Russia. The point of that was to not take sides and do what’s good for their country.

It conveys public opinion. Also backed by actual polls of India on Russia vs US

Of course people love Russia. They have been an ardent ally of India through thick and thin, through conflict with Pakistan to standing up to USA for em.

This isn't even mentioning the massive extent of Russian exports to India, especially of arms and material they wouldn't give to any other non-alligned group and the extremely beneficial tech transfers that go with it

And this is just the prosperous military relationship. There is also culture (Indian films in Russia and vice versa, positive opinions of each others country and citizens, shared Western skepticism) and non-military trade (reliable and key exporter of oils and metals)

This is also why Indians are not also reluctant to buy arms from the US/UK (France is seen as better because less of a colonist for India, but even now Russia is above em) but also just to trade in general. To the point India has a massive trade relationship (importing billions) from China, whereas trade with US is not that big (although it does seem to be growing)

Thats my point-- he is right Indians hate the West and you outline why.

They resent us for the actions undertaken by our great grandfathers and beyond (Cold War) and later (War on terror + Pakistan)

If we ever want Indians to be allies we have to make amends for this and offer an incentive that pulls them away from Russia

But this is very unlikely, as they love Russia and see it as more trustworthy and dependable than the US, and are very wary of relying upon the West in any way.

Its the reason why their trade is growing so fast with China. They may say they hate China, and some reddit people will say they hate both but China more, but economically India imports fucktons (billions, largest importer by far) from there and its only rising.

And due to nations past action, Soviet support and American antagonism, the relationship may be too far gone to salvage

This isn't even mentioning the military relationship India and Russia enjoy

>constantly shit talk China 24/7 and wonder why they won’t do what we say

Reddit Diplomats are a special kind of stupid

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Chinas dick is about to enter Russia, very deep and hard. They’re not going to be too mean to their new bitch until they’ve bled Russia’s economy dry. To me it’s smart strategy… they’ll make a killing!

Try reading the article once, that would end your whataboutism.

Sorry, I couldve clarified I was focusing on imports there, but you are correct I was relying on old data. However even then, China is still ahead (even if by less than I thought) and as you say, Indians are skeptical of increased reliance upon the West in trade (to the point China is their largest trading partner-- rather be stabbed in the front and all I guess) Not to mention the fact that many imports from China are critical, whereas India can and wants to move away from US dependence

And Russian influence in India is much more understated. From Soviet propaganda to Operation Infektion in the outset to India media (and that includes nominally "independent" media dancing around the Russian line) This includes associating Soviets with modern Russia, UN votes, vetos and speeches, arms sales, seeing Russia as a successful and honest country, and being completely forgiving of all and any Russian steps against Indian interests (big one is their massive relationship with China, but also them restricting foreign investment from India and others and cancelling arms sales)

Don't get me wrong, we very likely broadly agree. My point is given all we have both said and the Indian sentiment, India as the US will not be allies. Americans are apathetic towards India if not slight positive, and Indians dislike America and are very wary of them

The best to hope for is a mutually beneficial trade relationship where both sides do not interfere with each other, and India will continue to trade with Russia, China, Afghanistan etc.

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China has a lot to lose if they run their mouth. You ever take a look at the products you bought lately.

Sorry, updated my comment (posted early)

I agree. West saw Indian nonallignment and friendly relations with USSR as taking a side and decided to back Pakistan as an anti-commie block

This was disastrous. Kissinger is a monster and also an idiot. US fopo towards India at the time was also braindead and sometime outright racist.

But not we must suffer our great grandfathers mistakes (not that long ago, but old af politicians) and now we have a unstable Pakistan no one in America actually likes who isn't even that important now war on terror shif scaled back, rising China who dominates trade even with its biggest local rivals because the US are too concerned about appeasing domestic voters to trade more, and India mired with corruption (whilst I am not necessarily the biggest fan of the Indian nationalists as a whole, Modi and the BJP compared to the INC dynasty is relatively easy, much less corruption at least) and prior stagnant growth

And tbh whilst they are Westernised to some extent I dont know how far that goes. Even in Indian online spaces-- Indians use the same media as rest (unlike China) and even language (can access external news if they choose) they are similar to China in online pro-Russia sentiment.

Not fundamentally different, but neither side is going to take a big first step in relations, US knows India will never join again China in Taiwan and India knows US won't support directly in skirmishes in border (and India doesn't expect it to escalate) to the "alligned" anti China thing fizzles out, and India imports tons from China and America does too

As host India wrote the statement...

It would be devastating for China to share its largest border with a democratic state with “western” ties, so it will do anything to prevent a regime change in Russia.

India already signed the document dumbass.

China is willing to stand with the rest of the world. But US push China to the Russia side. Trump literally blame everything to China.

Did you even read the article? It literally says plain as day that India declined to blame Russia. India signed off on two paragraphs that described the war, that's literally all they did, they didn't condemn Russia. China and Russia didn't sign it because they didn't agree with the description.

I'm talking about the article that we're all commenting on? It says India declined to blame Russia, are we reading different things here? India signed off on two paragraphs that described the war, that's literally all they did, they didn't condemn Russia. China and Russia didn't sign because they didn't agree with the description.

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That means that they are not willing to stand with the rest of the world.

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Sounds like you have an agenda and would rather live in a bubble where you’re an expert geopolitician.

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https://www.ft.com/content/d4993f7a-0a14-4c9a-9e98-044a769e1230

> Nirmala Sitharaman, India’s finance minister, refused to say whether India was among the members that condemned the war.

They signed the document, but paragraphs 3 and 4 are cleverly phrased to let India of the hook.

You’re right.

How so? I'm not a geopolitical expert, just interested in trade and econ and geopolitics.

Not sure what bubble you mea. Am in Russian telegrams, Indian news and Hindu speaking areas, Chinese media apps, etc.

If anything, Indian media and people are even more anti West in Hindi speaking circles than English ones. Hence China being their largest trade partner

To be clearer, public opinion polls back this up.

And honestly, Indian nationalists on reddit are downright pleasant when compared to Indian nationalists in non-English speaking circles. Much more talk of revenge and dominance than trade or independence lol.

The nationalist comments that dislike the West and like Russia are indeed a plurality, if not majority

The truth is hard to swallow?

China? Silent? I refuse to believe them capable of silence with so many imagined grievances to complain about.

edit: mmm yes, waste your time downvoting me you Chinese bots lol

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I really don’t think the entire the world is anti US, much less anti anyone. Yes there are problematic things in society today, but polarizing news and a percentage of people who are voicing their opinions loudly does not immediately mean it’s fact. I’ll stick to the point: I do not agree with you that india hates the US. I don’t think the US hates India. If that’s the case, we should listen to the likes of the the Republican Party who love Russia and want us to stop helping the Ukrainians. But does supplying support immediately mean we hate Russia? The US and the Europeans have been buying their oil from India who sources MOST of their oil from Iraq and some from Russia too. Does that make us pro Russia and pro Middle East? Do you see how your arguments are just meant to incite division and hatred?

Geopolitics is complicated. Our armchair opinions aren’t grounded well enough to make sweeping statements. Did you see the post about El Salvador yesterday? The news coverage was so bad and you’d think it’s the worst. But then you listen to individuals who live there and realize hey maybe the world is more complicated than we think.

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I think the reference is to this week's United Nations General Assembly resolution on demanding Moscow withdraw its troops from Ukraine and end the fighting. 7 voted against: Russia, Belarus, N.Korea etc. 32 abstained. India, along with China, was one of the countries that refused to condemn the invasion. So it is hypocritical of India to blame China for being consistent in its position.

Are you crazy or just puerile?

America is a favorite for India and most Indians, however that being said.
America is like the popular high school girl whom you can't take for granted, she will oblige you ONLY if she has no other options on hand.

Btw, the western countries were apathetic towards our terrorism related problems for the longest time, I think India is just reciprocating the whole "It's every man, woman and child for themselves" policy.

India is not happy with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but it needs oil, simple and clear. It won't take the moral high ground and make the citizens suffer.

This is absolute crap, most Indians love the west.
Wish we could say the same about western countries.

Some Indians might hate the governments, but that's it.

There is no "Love" in geopolitics.

I thought this was r/worldnews, this isn’t NEWs at all, it’s old information.

If/when China changes its stance on the war, then that will be NEWs!

I understand why you have that perception, given you most likely have formed it by interacting with people like me, so I'll give you some context:

There's a small subsection of young and politically aware Indians who have a massive chip on their shoulder because of our colonial past and that sometimes translates to anti-west sentiments, mainly skepticism and anger over hypocritical behaviour.

That said, we are an incredibly small minority that still has a lot of appreceation for western or western derived values (appreciation for liberal democracy, free trade, individualism etc.). There's a lot of things that we admire America for (I'd wager we have a more positive opinion of the US compared to Europeans). We just want to put our country's interests first, that sometimes includes supporting morally questionable stances when it comes to geopolitics.

In summary, while there is an element of truth to what you think, it's a lot more complicated than just that.

Ok, I have to know.. because all the trolls seem to do the Adjective-NounNumber usernames.. what fucking troll farm is this coming from? Whose taint are you licking for a few pennies?

r/worldnews is news from the US perspective after all, and US obviously have an agenda to push when it comes to this topic as China is their main economic rival

Anything pro china = propaganda or bots

Anything positive sounding = must be fake news

Anything negative = no need to verify, must be true and updoot to the top

And the titles, they've gotta add some aggressive sounding titles to exaggerate the threat, "Slams, threatens, warns, upset, aggressively, "

US rounds up japanese in camps = internment camps

China rounds up Chinese uighurs in camps = genocide

Both actions are bad but the selective naming convention is quite evident

Some random guy in China tweets something bad on the the internet, and the titles are like "China says etc etc"

The west isn't one entity, nor is the east. Every country's got their own interests and will ultimately does what's best for itself.

China used to be cool man!

This doesn't look good for you China.

>US rounds up japanese in camps = internment camps
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>China rounds up Chinese uighurs in camps = genocide

Last I checked US didn't sterilize and kill Japanese en masse. Apples to oranges. And I'm not American.

> kill japanese en masse.

interesting choice of words. last time i checked they vaporized 2 cities

> r/worldnews is news from the US perspective after all

Is there an alternative? I am asking seriously.

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You heard of Hiroshima and Nagasaki dude?

Stop moving goal posts. Japan attacked first and it was a world war. China has not been attacked by Uighurs on the scale of a world war or any war for that matter. The topic is comparing Japanese internment camps with uighur concentration camps when those are completely different things in different contexts.

I aint movin shit bro. Those were nukes dropped on civilian targets.

And I'm not talking about that or defending that. You've just switched topics entirely.

China Cannot condemn Russia for doing to Ukraine what China wants to /plans to do to Taiwan.

Would be funny if Russia condemned itself

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