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106503204 t1_j9stdom wrote

It's almost like war sucks? Suprise!

I bet the Russians are all cool as cucumbers too?

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Slimfictiv t1_j9sv1du wrote

They're not really as cool as cucumbers I bet, but there's not many people that miss them back home. They'll die as 'heroes'. Their leader will have a speach and that's it. That'll be enough for the families. And an added bonus: the Lada.

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coreation t1_j9svqoq wrote

the Lada is I believe a more "first batch of soldiers perk", I've seen the rewards drop to "pack of sausages" or "a goat and a coat"...literally from Russian news sources.

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Krivvan t1_j9tgl4k wrote

I vaguely remember that it's because it's up to each regional government to figure it out? So some award a car and others a sack of potatoes.

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negrocrazy t1_j9w8g1g wrote

A full pack of sausages ?? Where do i sign up!?

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106503204 t1_j9ubrvi wrote

>there's not many people that miss them back home

You are joking right? You do understand that the Russians are losing people at an unprecedented rate in modern warfare for extremely small strategic and tactical gains. Each of those lives lost came from a family that most likely loved and cared about them. I cannot imagine that what you just said about their not being many people to miss them back home is true unless the majority of their family was conscripted and male because I don't know that there's many conscripts that are female in russia?

Anyway, every one of those lives lost has a family and I'm sure that those family members miss them. As for the dying as Heroes parts every soldier dies a hero is the punchline to war. Whether it be the people in Ukraine or the people in Russia.

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Slimfictiv t1_j9ud9vf wrote

Recently I've watched a documentary on a family that lost their son in Ukraine. The little brother was devastated. But teh father was proud that his son died as a hero for his coutry. Now I'm thinking if he realizes that his son died in vain, what other choice does he have? Admit that he died for nothing? After 21 years invested in that young boy can he accept that it died in vain. His pride rather chose the 'hero' route.

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desmaize t1_j9xxcr8 wrote

You seemingly don't understand just how pivotal egocentrism is in modern russian mentality.

Russian widows are not shaken by dead husbands, but by receiving a sausage instead of a lump sum of money as compensation.

Putin will literally send millions of russians armed with just forks in waves at Kyiv and we won't see a russian uprising

Ты просто вообще не понимаешь русских людей

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mrgoodcard t1_j9x307y wrote

I called a bunch of russians yesterday. From their words: "we are doing great. The economy is booming, russian businesses are growing, our territories are widening, we're happy, and we'll win everybody" yeah, this is all sick, but the sickest thing was to see happy smiling faces of parents of a boy who's at the frontline right now.

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hibernating-hobo t1_j9t8cad wrote

Ukraine is going to have a generation of “silent grandpas”, who wont talk about their experiences, and sometimes shed tears.

It’s heartbreaking. It’s all Russias fault. Support Ukraine, send them planes so they can own the skies and bomb the shit out of anyone on their territory.

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CustardAccurate1540 t1_j9wzaeh wrote

The ukrainian pilots are propably training on F16s in secrecy already.

Its just a matter of time, the US is most likely just waiting for the next big russian escalation (start of their new offensive in spring) to acquire the political precedent for announcing the transfer of jets and drones without risking the madman dropping a nuke in response.

Unfortunately the western world cannot risk to enact a significant action like this in an overt proactive way, not when the threat of nuclear escalation is real. All the spy agencies are worried of putin using tactical nukes in response to something like that, given the fact that thats pretty much his last ace up his sleeve now that his army has proven ineffective.

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technicalCoFounder t1_j9sykpy wrote

It’s really hard interacting with Ukrainians right now. The first question I’m asked is whether I support their enemy. Then we have to preamble for a while about the war and I have to pass a series of tests to confirm I’m not their enemy too. It’s exhausting.

I get it: when you’re in a war that’s the only possible thing there is. Nothing else really exists until “after”.

You can easily tell how much it has affected their social interactions outside their country and outside their culture.

This was well studied in Dutch kids after WW2. Having been born to stressed mothers during the war or having grown up themselves during the war their entire epigenetic makeup, not to mention their mental health, was permanently skewed to a “fight or flight”, “feast or famine” war-footing.

Heck that’s probably the natural state of all humans. We’ve been fighting wars with each other for as long as we’ve existed. Every person alive today was born to those who happened to survive one war or another.

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poofanity t1_j9t32gm wrote

I’ve had a different experience but everyone’s experiences are different.

My Ukrainian born friend with family still in Kyiv, doesn’t really ever bring it up unless we do. His cousin (female and daughter) are here while their husband is fighting in ukraine. He still doesn’t really talk about it.

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SERN-contractor837 t1_j9vfjkc wrote

I'm about the same, I never talk about it with people who are not living here (apart from reddit obv). They'll never understand and it's hard to explain your state without either sounding like a dick or a whiny bitch.

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technicalCoFounder t1_j9t3r9j wrote

Ukrainian-born and Ukrainian “from Ukraine“ are very different things.

I’m also not “from” where I was born. Their mentality is almost alien to me, even though intellectually I can still understand it.

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poofanity t1_j9t3x8a wrote

Prewar he would spend months out of the year there every year.

He’s Ukrainian.

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technicalCoFounder t1_j9t44qt wrote

He may be Ukrainian, but is he “from Ukraine” or is he from wherever you’re from.

The human brain is plastic. We adopt the culture we integrate into, and very quickly at that.

I’m a person of several cultures, but I’m only “from” the one I fully integrated into, and it’s not the one I was born into.

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poofanity t1_j9t49c0 wrote

You’re completely wrong but okay.

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technicalCoFounder t1_j9t4j2l wrote

Ask your friend. When he’s in Ukraine, standing in line at the bank, does he feel like he’s from Ukraine?

I know when I stand in line at the bank in my birthplace, even though I speak the language and know the culture well, I feel quite alien there relative to the other people standing in line with me.

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bungdilly_ t1_j9tozm9 wrote

My grandpa almost killed a kid with a 2x4 for stealing bread from his younger brother during the war.

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Vlaladim t1_j9w96zi wrote

Knowing how much Russian like to antagonize and put all the death and rape of their fellow country men on their hand, Ukrainians of course would be doubtful of anyone at this time. Knowing how impeded the Russian talking point is and how lousy is still is, it just precaution for the time being but really, a country in a war always have this attitude especially how heinous and apathetic their enemies have done over the last year. I can’t blame them.

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stap31 t1_j9stehh wrote

Is it the time fer psychedelics legalization for quick trauma and PTSD therapy?

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coreation t1_j9svska wrote

+1 but I think "quick" is a bit of a wishful thinking term, quicker is perhaps more appropriate :)

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tangerinesubmerine t1_j9vc7uv wrote

Yes as someone in the process of overcoming PTSD through psychedelics, it takes years, but it's also much faster than it would otherwise be.

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IvashkovMG t1_j9th2c9 wrote

Jokes on you, I've had a mental health crisis before the war started.

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dread_deimos t1_j9ubmi5 wrote

Same. I've had a very deep depressive episode for a few months after the start of invasion. Could barely work (remotely) for weeks. Only month ago I've managed to drag myself down to a therapist and do something.

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autotldr t1_j9swlcm wrote

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 93%. (I'm a bot)

> From our special correspondent in Kyiv - One year on from the Russian invasion, Ukraine is in a state of mental health crisis as the war's horrors have traumatised combatants and civilians alike, leaving doctors with the task of putting their shattered psyches back together.

> Elsewhere, psychologists have put Ukraine's mental health crisis at the centre of public discourse, breaking taboos around the subject.

> The WHO is working to train all its medical staff in Ukraine in treating mental health issues and is trying to ensure that the prevalent mental health issues there are addressed immediately, instead of waiting for the war to end.

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Human-Entrepreneur77 t1_j9tu01i wrote

Ptsd is a price that has to be paid for their continued existence. Russia seeks to exterminate the people of Ukraine. The choice is to be tortured to death or to fight. Death deformity and PTSD are all possible but preferred to the to the fate of heros of Bucha Irpin and many other places in occupied Ukraine.

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throwawayloopy t1_j9v5k8w wrote

So easy to say that when you're sitting in the comfort of your home far away from conflict.

We can't just collectively say "yeah PTSD sucks, but it's worth it" and just brush it off. We need to acknowledge the INSANE sacrifices these defenders have given every single day, and ensure they have the full appreciation, support and treatment for when they finally come back home.

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pm-for-good-time t1_j9us2cw wrote

Why is this news? Of course they do. They're fighting for their lives and dying. War isn't fun to live through.

I mean the war effects my mental health too and I'm not even part of it. War is devastating.

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outerworldLV t1_j9tkurs wrote

How could they not have a crisis ? Damn.

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TheNBGco t1_j9v6h9t wrote

Anyway we can set up better help type subscritpions for these people?

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JackFromShadows t1_j9ws66m wrote

We actually have right now a free mental help system in Ukraine with many organizations and foundations working with traumatized people. If you or anyone you know needs help, please refer them to those resources, this is not a full list and they should know that more is available if needed.

https://visitukraine.today/blog/843/psixologicna-dopomoga-dlya-ukrainciv-10-bezkostovnix-resursiv

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Vost570 t1_j9xakqi wrote

If the world was an insane asylum the Kremlin would be the Violent Ward.

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Ffusu t1_j9xhlrv wrote

And here I thought the war is making Ukraine the happiest place /s

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Anxious_Plum_5818 t1_j9xkz7k wrote

Scarred for life. The only thing Russia seems to bring to this world, misery for everyone involved.

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drogoran t1_j9u0ri1 wrote

wow what a useless headline

next their gonna tell me water makes things wet?

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throwawayloopy t1_j9v62ox wrote

Ignoring an issue just because it's obvious does a disservice to those who are suffering from these mental issues.

Imagine being a soldier and struggling with PTSD and other issues tied to the horrific things you see on a daily basis, and then a civilian goes "yeah well water is wet". These are humans, not machines. We need to collectively acknowledge this and talk about it.

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soulfire_swordsman t1_j9tihjo wrote

If by therapists you mean billions of dollars then yes. He had quite the Christmas wish list for us not long ago.

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ReadyToWork20 t1_j9svb6a wrote

I suspect it was awful before the war as well. Rampant alcoholism etc similar to Russia

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