It feels like its a handful of people doing this. It would take a bait car or undercover police doing something… but they keep complaining they cant do anything about it.

As a citizen im half way to creating a bait car just to stop the stupidity

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Successful strategies to reduce violent crime have long realized this. Whether the solution is going after that small group and putting as many in jail for as long as possible, as has historically been done, or going after that group and trying to give them the resources they need to do better, as has just recently been successful in West Baltimore, it starts with identifying the relatively small group of people responsible for most of the violent crime.

I think the main issue is that juveniles are being arrested for carjacking and then are almost immediately released by the DC Attorney General's office. The 15 year old who was recently arrested for 8 carjackings had been arrested before for carjacking. The teens who killed the Uber Eats driver in the carjacking had been arrested before for attempted carjacking.

Somewhat related, I wish MPD could set up bait cars for all of the wheel/rim thefts. Even just put some sort of tracking device hidden on the rims. Someone has to be buying all of these things from the criminals.

Many people are poor. Only a tiny fraction of a percent of poor people commit repeat violent crimes.

The young men who harass, assault, carjack, etc. do it because it is learned behavior with few to no consequences. Their parents are neglectful or incompetent, their peers, friend groups, and small subculture glorify and celebrate this behavior. How do you change the beliefs these young men have, how do you fix willfully incompetent parents?

DC launched a program to identify people at high-risk of committing or being targeted by gun violence using evidence-backed and data-backed approaches. A majority of gun violence is committed by a small social network of men who generally know each other. This program found most high-risk men (eg, had a history of carrying guns, committing violent crime, or living with men who do so) didn’t want to be identified or offered job training assistance, mental health services or diversionary support. How does a government fix that? I don’t know.

It's an incredibly difficult issue. Group Violence Reduction Strategy, the program I referenced in Baltimore's Western, combines both alternative solutions with traditional policing and prosecution. It was successful enough that they are expanding it city-wide.

>it starts with identifying the relatively small group of people responsible for most of the violent crime

I was just having this discussion with some friends. While it may seem like the city is overrun with violent criminals if you spend too much time watching the news or reading this sub, it seems more likely that there are much smaller groups of repeat offenders committing most of these acts. Like the huge number of wheel thefts: the fact that nobody (as far as I know) has even been arrested for this makes it almost certain that a single highly organized and skilled team of people are responsible for pretty much all of them.

Bait cars is more for jump in stolen not carjackings. If you put UC officers out there to be carjacked that won’t go over well when police start shooting these dudes trying to rob them at gunpoint

The thing is usually the groups are known by any decent officer and detective. You know where the car will most likely turn up at. The issue is 1 arresting a juvinile os a waste of time because nothing is done and 2 when they flee you are better off to let it go because they will kill themselves or someone else

>Somewhat related, I wish MPD could set up bait cars for all of the wheel/rim thefts. Even just put some sort of tracking device hidden on the rims. Someone has to be buying all of these things from the criminals.

This makes too much sense so pretty certain they'll never do it.

Follow the supply chain and where the wheels end up. The shops and dealers reselling the stolen wheels have a lot more to lose than the wheel thieves.

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Maybe if someone gets jacked coming out of the Wilson building someone there would give a shit.

Very dangerous! Not a good idea to resist or to run after them . You could get killed

I don’t disagree but looking out it from a subjective standpoint I’m pretty sure people will burn the city down after multiple police involved shootings related to carjackings. I can see it now “he didn’t know it was a police officer” “they are only targeting the young Black juveniles” “they didn’t need to kill him it’s just a car”

This literally happened at 18 & U a few months ago

Chase on foot? Carjackings non-stop

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I chased a couple of young males away from the cars in our parking lot two years ago. they were unbolting the wheels from a new Honda Accord. They ran across the street to their piece of shit white 90s honda accord and took off. The cameras in the shopping center picked up their picture, the car, the plates.

I was contacted by the police to ID these guys and was able to easily based on the fact that they were photographed doing the exact same thing a few days earlier. I followed up several weeks later and was told that no arrests have been made.

The police know who is doing this...they aren't doing anything about it.

Also, can we find out which auto body shop or supplier is buying these wheels and bring down the hammer on them as well?

I dunno..this shit is exhausting.

I guys got carjacked and stepped in front of the car and got run over and died. Tragic

Cash. With the only string attached being don’t commit violent crime. If the only consideration is preventing violent crime, then identifying those likely to commit the crime and paying them not to will always be the cheapest, most effective, and most humane way to prevent crime.

There might be good reasons for a government not to do that, but none of those reasons are related to crime prevention.

I remember. A Dr. He left the car running and up the steps to say bye to gf I think .

By Lucky Buns so sad.

It's so ironic. Immigrants come looking for a better life and sometimes victims of gun culture like last week Monterey Park (LA, Lunar New Year)

Unrelated:

One of the Boston bombers ran over his older brother and killed him.

A very small number of bad apples creating a remarkable oversized negative impact on entire communities: here's a great example of the phenomena documented by concerned citizens https://youtu.be/bpAi70WWBlw

Yep! I saw him getting CPR in the intersection out of my window.

Yea, pretty stupid...but hard to think straight when your adrenaline is thru the roof.

The research says doing aggressive, targeted policing towards the small subset of repeat offenders is the way. MPD is largely unable to do targeted policing anymore though.

They can’t chase

That’s bad ass

I’ve long opined that vigilantism is going to be the obvious result of the failures by the council and police. Best of luck!

Everyone reacts differently. It’s hard to stop and think rationally when your adrenaline is engaged. I chased down a group of teens after watching them hit someone over the head with a book. Didn’t think twice about what I did. It just turned on.

I was robbed once on a dark road near Dupont. Guy took one gold ring and the second one I said no!

I actually peed myself. Froze

For felonies they can (fresh carjacked vehicle) I just wouldn’t recommend it if I was them risk isn’t worth catching them

A lot of the time when there’s a spree of similar crimes, it’s one group. I remember reading years ago about a string of car break-ins in Philly, cops realized they were targeting certain makes from before a certain year, set out a bait car, caught the people doing it, and immediately the breakins slowed almost to a halt

>“they didn’t need to kill him it’s just a car”

...do you think this is an unfair statement?

Didn't both evans and cheh get car jacked? Frumin and Nadeau bike and Allen mostly buses or walks so they are out. Guessing that T White carries, so that isn't happening and Grey can't drive.

Bad traffic = can't get away with the car in a carjacking. lol

Remember when some Diplomat got car jacked last year? I think it was near Glover Park.

> Also, can we find out which auto body shop or supplier is buying these wheels and bring down the hammer on them as well?

This is a very good question: going after the money is effective and it’s not especially hard because the seller has to have some level of public presence. I know MPD did this with bike thefts during the Lanier era because they busted some shops buying bait bikes and it seems like a similar approach would work here — or doing something like having an undercover officer buy the fake tags being sold on Facebook.

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Does this not suffer from the “paying to kill pests” problem where people will start breeding pests/committing crime so they can be paid to stop?

https://www.washingtonian.com/2015/08/26/why-did-dc-shut-down-its-vice-squads-crime-rate-cathy-lanier/

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Only in a society with very high levels of wealth inequality.

The risk of committing a violent crime or even a property crime isn’t what stops most people from commuting that crime. Rather it’s a lack of necessity and aversion to violence/immorality.

I know Cheh left her car running and someone jumped in. Not sure about Evans but he parked like an asshole so maybe.

DC NEXT DOOR!

They've done this. Not all the carjackers are the guys who only do hop ins.

Mendo mentioned recently that his ex-wife was carjacked. They definitely “give a shit” but it’s bizarre that so many people on here expect legislators to fight crime rather than, y’know, LAW ENFORCEMENT

Saw this on twitter. So wild. Glad they got their car back, but talk about risking your life

Change the laws to defend yourself.

Hilarious

I expect the legislature to author laws that reduce crime, the executive to enforce the law and the judiciary to interpret the law in the best interest of the people of DC.

Anyone voting for the new criminal code, does not give a shit about what’s happening today in DC.

Carjacking is still very much illegal and completely punishable in the District

Illegal, yes. Is there really punishment?

Yep! When you’re convicted, you go to prison!

This, especially after a DC jury gave that police officer life in prison because the felon he was chasing drove into oncoming traffic and got himself killed

Eh, sometimes. Sometimes violent people get chance after chance and continue to steal, stab and kill. Sometimes people with long histories get to plead down from murder one to manslaughter after executing a guy in front of his kids.

Wait until you find how much council members were involved in that case. The answer will shock you

Isn’t T White’s license still suspended??

What's this in West Baltimore?

Why would the council be involved in that case?

they’re not involved in any cases, in fact! Murder and carjacking are against the law

Yes? Just because they are against the law doesn't mean that charges will be properly pursued by the judiciary. In fact, we know they won't in many, many cases.

Good points. Makes me wonder why you want people working in the Wilson building to get carjacked then

Is that how you interpreted by post? That I "want" some to get jacked? Seems like a stretch.

there is no other way to interpret it, actually

I think it’s only for ongoing violent crimes - a call about a carjacked vehicle I dint think so

Man, that's tough for you.

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You’re guessing that T White carries? Why exactly? Because he’s from SE? The racism emanating from this assumption is honestly astounding. I’ve never seen this man wear anything but a suit and tie everyday and you’re on here guessing he’s carrying a gun. I bet you voted for Obama twice too eh. Real good “concerned” citizen you are.

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Where do you draw your line?

“they didn’t need to kill them. It’s just a house.”

Why is a car different? If you came in my house with a gun I’d shoot you as well.

Jail

Personally I don't believe anyone deserves to die over property. I especially don't believe the police should get to decide who dies.

See my comment below

So why would you assume Trayvon White carries? Based on what evidence?

Correct but if the carjacking happens very recently like within 2 hrs it will be authorized, or of course shootings/homicide but again very limited time frame

Yes I do, they are committing a violent act this isn’t someone jumping in because you left your keys in it this is someone pulling a firearm on you and ripping you out of your vehicle

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The one using lethal force against me decided. When will you understand this? What, they have to pull the trigger first?

Yeah I was momentarily confused as to how they were able to chase it down, but then I remembered what the traffic near Union Station usually is like, lol.

This...was not fully thought through by the assailant, clearly.

I had a guy come in to my dorm room in college while I was in bed already, and after talking to me for a bit in a super creepy way (tried to pretend to know my roommate), he grabbed my wallet from the dresser and took off.

I chased him down the hall!

I was a 120 lb girl and he was a 6'5 huge dude. I just...pure adrenaline-fueled instinct. No conscious thought at all.

Thankfully I didn't catch him, lol.

Was the perpetrator a juvenile?

Has that completely died now? (ie the calls for "truth" etc)

Personally I don’t believe you or any other citizen should get to decide what property of mine I will be allowed to keep.

I wonder what would have happened if you did catch up ? I didn’t catch the kids either although they did legitimately seem kind of scared. Probably not used to people going after them. Mind you- I did scream bloody murder while running towards them.

> I wonder what you would have done if you did ?

Seriously, I have no idea. Thank god I didn’t.

You have a source for this?

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I believe many of them steal the cars to commit drive-by and other shootings, not just for parts.

The media attention mostly died after they learned that the guy who shot him wasn't white

Sometimes not a good idea to comply either. The day I got nearly car jacked I froze and was more afraid of what the multiple guys with guns pointed at me would do if I got out. I used as much of the dash and seats as I could to block as much of me as possible, got a 911 call triggered and they took off. A little while later another car jacking happened a few miles away, the guy gave up the car, and was beaten and shot. Don’t know if it was the same guys or not. Cops said I was the third attempt that morning.

Wow! I'm so sorry you were a victim of this violence. I'm surprised they noticed the 911 call unless it was shining on the dashboard. In any case, kudos.

It was on the dash mount so the one saw when I triggered it. They were quick too. It felt like it was so long before they took off, but after exiting dash cam footage down to just the incident for the cops it wasn’t long. From the time they blocked me in until they hopped back into the car and took off was 50 seconds.

I can imagine the sensation that it took forever

nope, but it seems to be an open secret that he has a legit CC permit. this is mostly carried by white folks, so i'm confused at your comment. he isn't violating any law and just exercising his legal rights!

are you implying that he is illegally carrying? is that since you think he is black? stop being so racist!

edit: i think plenty of (R) lawmakers do the same in DC.

Show me the source you have that says he has a CC permit. Otherwise STFU. You and the majority of the miserable white liberals on this sub are closet racists who wonder why your black neighbors can’t stand you.

im not white. lol

Here is an article with CM White saying he is against CC permits. https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article/news/local/dc/councilmember-trayon-white-talks-violence-in-dc/65-454702693

So you’re a non-white racist who thinks that Black people all carry guns. And somehow you really think not being white excludes you from being a racist POS.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, I said no one deserves to die over stolen property. I didn't say anything about what you are "allowed" to keep, whatever that means

That's pretty grim. you're creating an excuse for the death penalty for crimes of desperation.

I'm not saying you can't defend yourself in these situations. What I'm saying is no one's life is worth a fucking car. If you think otherwise that's just sad.

This is backpedaling via a strawman. Literally no one has claimed or inferred otherwise. It’s always been about defending from aggression. But I will not feel bad for anyone that is killed who was using lethal force to take from others.

Has the whitest post history, university professor with well established parents with $15 million nest eggs, owns house in tony area of DC, thinks claiming not to be white is a get out of jail card…yep checks out lol

You notice he got REAL quiet too! 😂