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coocookuhchoo t1_j6437pu wrote
Successful strategies to reduce violent crime have long realized this. Whether the solution is going after that small group and putting as many in jail for as long as possible, as has historically been done, or going after that group and trying to give them the resources they need to do better, as has just recently been successful in West Baltimore, it starts with identifying the relatively small group of people responsible for most of the violent crime.
ballastboy1 t1_j643zrd wrote
Many people are poor. Only a tiny fraction of a percent of poor people commit repeat violent crimes.
The young men who harass, assault, carjack, etc. do it because it is learned behavior with few to no consequences. Their parents are neglectful or incompetent, their peers, friend groups, and small subculture glorify and celebrate this behavior. How do you change the beliefs these young men have, how do you fix willfully incompetent parents?
DC launched a program to identify people at high-risk of committing or being targeted by gun violence using evidence-backed and data-backed approaches. A majority of gun violence is committed by a small social network of men who generally know each other. This program found most high-risk men (eg, had a history of carrying guns, committing violent crime, or living with men who do so) didn’t want to be identified or offered job training assistance, mental health services or diversionary support. How does a government fix that? I don’t know.
coocookuhchoo t1_j6451pd wrote
It's an incredibly difficult issue. Group Violence Reduction Strategy, the program I referenced in Baltimore's Western, combines both alternative solutions with traditional policing and prosecution. It was successful enough that they are expanding it city-wide.
C0333 t1_j65tosx wrote
Jail
FIFA95_itsinthegame t1_j64hxz7 wrote
Cash. With the only string attached being don’t commit violent crime. If the only consideration is preventing violent crime, then identifying those likely to commit the crime and paying them not to will always be the cheapest, most effective, and most humane way to prevent crime.
There might be good reasons for a government not to do that, but none of those reasons are related to crime prevention.
IronKokomo t1_j650gws wrote
Does this not suffer from the “paying to kill pests” problem where people will start breeding pests/committing crime so they can be paid to stop?
FIFA95_itsinthegame t1_j653clk wrote
Only in a society with very high levels of wealth inequality.
The risk of committing a violent crime or even a property crime isn’t what stops most people from commuting that crime. Rather it’s a lack of necessity and aversion to violence/immorality.
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The_Herder12 t1_j64bt4e wrote
The thing is usually the groups are known by any decent officer and detective. You know where the car will most likely turn up at. The issue is 1 arresting a juvinile os a waste of time because nothing is done and 2 when they flee you are better off to let it go because they will kill themselves or someone else
PanAmargo t1_j64n4ax wrote
They can’t chase
The_Herder12 t1_j64pq2k wrote
For felonies they can (fresh carjacked vehicle) I just wouldn’t recommend it if I was them risk isn’t worth catching them
adminsarepedoslol t1_j659ih5 wrote
This, especially after a DC jury gave that police officer life in prison because the felon he was chasing drove into oncoming traffic and got himself killed
PanAmargo t1_j65f8mz wrote
I think it’s only for ongoing violent crimes - a call about a carjacked vehicle I dint think so
The_Herder12 t1_j65zxaf wrote
Correct but if the carjacking happens very recently like within 2 hrs it will be authorized, or of course shootings/homicide but again very limited time frame
PanAmargo t1_j66n0oz wrote
You have a source for this?
BoozAlien t1_j64b0na wrote
>it starts with identifying the relatively small group of people responsible for most of the violent crime
I was just having this discussion with some friends. While it may seem like the city is overrun with violent criminals if you spend too much time watching the news or reading this sub, it seems more likely that there are much smaller groups of repeat offenders committing most of these acts. Like the huge number of wheel thefts: the fact that nobody (as far as I know) has even been arrested for this makes it almost certain that a single highly organized and skilled team of people are responsible for pretty much all of them.
sl8rfan2 t1_j64hn1k wrote
I chased a couple of young males away from the cars in our parking lot two years ago. they were unbolting the wheels from a new Honda Accord. They ran across the street to their piece of shit white 90s honda accord and took off. The cameras in the shopping center picked up their picture, the car, the plates.
I was contacted by the police to ID these guys and was able to easily based on the fact that they were photographed doing the exact same thing a few days earlier. I followed up several weeks later and was told that no arrests have been made.
The police know who is doing this...they aren't doing anything about it.
Also, can we find out which auto body shop or supplier is buying these wheels and bring down the hammer on them as well?
I dunno..this shit is exhausting.
acdha t1_j64ztqv wrote
> Also, can we find out which auto body shop or supplier is buying these wheels and bring down the hammer on them as well?
This is a very good question: going after the money is effective and it’s not especially hard because the seller has to have some level of public presence. I know MPD did this with bike thefts during the Lanier era because they busted some shops buying bait bikes and it seems like a similar approach would work here — or doing something like having an undercover officer buy the fake tags being sold on Facebook.
PanAmargo t1_j64n1iy wrote
The research says doing aggressive, targeted policing towards the small subset of repeat offenders is the way. MPD is largely unable to do targeted policing anymore though.
Cheomesh t1_j65d8k7 wrote
What's this in West Baltimore?
coocookuhchoo t1_j65x333 wrote
See my comment below
Swampoodle1984 OP t1_j643ovn wrote
I think the main issue is that juveniles are being arrested for carjacking and then are almost immediately released by the DC Attorney General's office. The 15 year old who was recently arrested for 8 carjackings had been arrested before for carjacking. The teens who killed the Uber Eats driver in the carjacking had been arrested before for attempted carjacking.
Somewhat related, I wish MPD could set up bait cars for all of the wheel/rim thefts. Even just put some sort of tracking device hidden on the rims. Someone has to be buying all of these things from the criminals.
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spince t1_j64cjol wrote
>Somewhat related, I wish MPD could set up bait cars for all of the wheel/rim thefts. Even just put some sort of tracking device hidden on the rims. Someone has to be buying all of these things from the criminals.
This makes too much sense so pretty certain they'll never do it.
Follow the supply chain and where the wheels end up. The shops and dealers reselling the stolen wheels have a lot more to lose than the wheel thieves.
RatherSleepIn t1_j654tby wrote
They've done this. Not all the carjackers are the guys who only do hop ins.
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blinchik2020 t1_j673u83 wrote
I believe many of them steal the cars to commit drive-by and other shootings, not just for parts.
Smipims t1_j64nr3b wrote
I’ve long opined that vigilantism is going to be the obvious result of the failures by the council and police. Best of luck!
No-Lunch4249 t1_j64rvap wrote
A lot of the time when there’s a spree of similar crimes, it’s one group. I remember reading years ago about a string of car break-ins in Philly, cops realized they were targeting certain makes from before a certain year, set out a bait car, caught the people doing it, and immediately the breakins slowed almost to a halt
The_Herder12 t1_j64blx1 wrote
Bait cars is more for jump in stolen not carjackings. If you put UC officers out there to be carjacked that won’t go over well when police start shooting these dudes trying to rob them at gunpoint
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The_Herder12 t1_j64eixn wrote
I don’t disagree but looking out it from a subjective standpoint I’m pretty sure people will burn the city down after multiple police involved shootings related to carjackings. I can see it now “he didn’t know it was a police officer” “they are only targeting the young Black juveniles” “they didn’t need to kill him it’s just a car”
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Formergr t1_j669n1i wrote
Has that completely died now? (ie the calls for "truth" etc)
WealthyMarmot t1_j67rq7b wrote
The media attention mostly died after they learned that the guy who shot him wasn't white
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opheodrysaestivus t1_j64w9ny wrote
>“they didn’t need to kill him it’s just a car”
...do you think this is an unfair statement?
CowboyAirman t1_j65sqik wrote
Where do you draw your line?
“they didn’t need to kill them. It’s just a house.”
Why is a car different? If you came in my house with a gun I’d shoot you as well.
opheodrysaestivus t1_j65ulwb wrote
Personally I don't believe anyone deserves to die over property. I especially don't believe the police should get to decide who dies.
CowboyAirman t1_j660shx wrote
The one using lethal force against me decided. When will you understand this? What, they have to pull the trigger first?
opheodrysaestivus t1_j69lfwh wrote
I'm not saying you can't defend yourself in these situations. What I'm saying is no one's life is worth a fucking car. If you think otherwise that's just sad.
CowboyAirman t1_j69m7j0 wrote
This is backpedaling via a strawman. Literally no one has claimed or inferred otherwise. It’s always been about defending from aggression. But I will not feel bad for anyone that is killed who was using lethal force to take from others.
jameson71 t1_j66c5os wrote
Personally I don’t believe you or any other citizen should get to decide what property of mine I will be allowed to keep.
opheodrysaestivus t1_j69krw6 wrote
I'm not sure what you're talking about, I said no one deserves to die over stolen property. I didn't say anything about what you are "allowed" to keep, whatever that means
The_Herder12 t1_j6602q0 wrote
Yes I do, they are committing a violent act this isn’t someone jumping in because you left your keys in it this is someone pulling a firearm on you and ripping you out of your vehicle
opheodrysaestivus t1_j69l81b wrote
That's pretty grim. you're creating an excuse for the death penalty for crimes of desperation.
mbleazie t1_j6568ur wrote
Change the laws to defend yourself.
9throwaway2 t1_j64wykb wrote
Bad traffic = can't get away with the car in a carjacking. lol
EastoftheCap t1_j64dd8g wrote
Maybe if someone gets jacked coming out of the Wilson building someone there would give a shit.
Rugrats-theme-song t1_j64zg5z wrote
Remember when some Diplomat got car jacked last year? I think it was near Glover Park.
9throwaway2 t1_j64wsom wrote
Didn't both evans and cheh get car jacked? Frumin and Nadeau bike and Allen mostly buses or walks so they are out. Guessing that T White carries, so that isn't happening and Grey can't drive.
harkuponthegay t1_j65d1lz wrote
Isn’t T White’s license still suspended??
EastoftheCap t1_j653mn6 wrote
I know Cheh left her car running and someone jumped in. Not sure about Evans but he parked like an asshole so maybe.
KenyaviousJames t1_j65yha9 wrote
So why would you assume Trayvon White carries? Based on what evidence?
ninasymone44 t1_j65ji13 wrote
You’re guessing that T White carries? Why exactly? Because he’s from SE? The racism emanating from this assumption is honestly astounding. I’ve never seen this man wear anything but a suit and tie everyday and you’re on here guessing he’s carrying a gun. I bet you voted for Obama twice too eh. Real good “concerned” citizen you are.
9throwaway2 t1_j68w0f3 wrote
nope, but it seems to be an open secret that he has a legit CC permit. this is mostly carried by white folks, so i'm confused at your comment. he isn't violating any law and just exercising his legal rights!
are you implying that he is illegally carrying? is that since you think he is black? stop being so racist!
edit: i think plenty of (R) lawmakers do the same in DC.
ninasymone44 t1_j69gax3 wrote
Show me the source you have that says he has a CC permit. Otherwise STFU. You and the majority of the miserable white liberals on this sub are closet racists who wonder why your black neighbors can’t stand you.
9throwaway2 t1_j69ho9h wrote
im not white. lol
ninasymone44 t1_j69jdi7 wrote
Here is an article with CM White saying he is against CC permits. https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article/news/local/dc/councilmember-trayon-white-talks-violence-in-dc/65-454702693
So you’re a non-white racist who thinks that Black people all carry guns. And somehow you really think not being white excludes you from being a racist POS.
KenyaviousJames t1_j6ahcli wrote
Has the whitest post history, university professor with well established parents with $15 million nest eggs, owns house in tony area of DC, thinks claiming not to be white is a get out of jail card…yep checks out lol
ninasymone44 t1_j6alpha wrote
You notice he got REAL quiet too! 😂
Pipes_of_Pan t1_j655hvp wrote
Mendo mentioned recently that his ex-wife was carjacked. They definitely “give a shit” but it’s bizarre that so many people on here expect legislators to fight crime rather than, y’know, LAW ENFORCEMENT
EastoftheCap t1_j657mdf wrote
I expect the legislature to author laws that reduce crime, the executive to enforce the law and the judiciary to interpret the law in the best interest of the people of DC.
Anyone voting for the new criminal code, does not give a shit about what’s happening today in DC.
Pipes_of_Pan t1_j658st7 wrote
Carjacking is still very much illegal and completely punishable in the District
EastoftheCap t1_j6593c1 wrote
Illegal, yes. Is there really punishment?
Pipes_of_Pan t1_j659d65 wrote
Yep! When you’re convicted, you go to prison!
EastoftheCap t1_j659nla wrote
Eh, sometimes. Sometimes violent people get chance after chance and continue to steal, stab and kill. Sometimes people with long histories get to plead down from murder one to manslaughter after executing a guy in front of his kids.
Pipes_of_Pan t1_j65b3ox wrote
Wait until you find how much council members were involved in that case. The answer will shock you
EastoftheCap t1_j65d9ct wrote
Why would the council be involved in that case?
Pipes_of_Pan t1_j65dftf wrote
they’re not involved in any cases, in fact! Murder and carjacking are against the law
EastoftheCap t1_j65drbj wrote
Yes? Just because they are against the law doesn't mean that charges will be properly pursued by the judiciary. In fact, we know they won't in many, many cases.
Pipes_of_Pan t1_j65dyvt wrote
Good points. Makes me wonder why you want people working in the Wilson building to get carjacked then
EastoftheCap t1_j65ebly wrote
Is that how you interpreted by post? That I "want" some to get jacked? Seems like a stretch.
Pipes_of_Pan t1_j65ev9d wrote
there is no other way to interpret it, actually
EastoftheCap t1_j65fima wrote
Man, that's tough for you.
JustAcivilian24 t1_j655u8s wrote
Saw this on twitter. So wild. Glad they got their car back, but talk about risking your life
Professional_Yam5208 t1_j64iw81 wrote
A very small number of bad apples creating a remarkable oversized negative impact on entire communities: here's a great example of the phenomena documented by concerned citizens https://youtu.be/bpAi70WWBlw
NPRjunkieDC t1_j64drxl wrote
Very dangerous! Not a good idea to resist or to run after them . You could get killed
k_dot97 t1_j64eizj wrote
This literally happened at 18 & U a few months ago
NPRjunkieDC t1_j64eqf7 wrote
Chase on foot? Carjackings non-stop
k_dot97 t1_j64hugl wrote
I guys got carjacked and stepped in front of the car and got run over and died. Tragic
NPRjunkieDC t1_j64ii2f wrote
I remember. A Dr. He left the car running and up the steps to say bye to gf I think .
By Lucky Buns so sad.
It's so ironic. Immigrants come looking for a better life and sometimes victims of gun culture like last week Monterey Park (LA, Lunar New Year)
Unrelated:
One of the Boston bombers ran over his older brother and killed him.
k_dot97 t1_j64j6mi wrote
Yep! I saw him getting CPR in the intersection out of my window.
Joshottas t1_j64l0wq wrote
Yea, pretty stupid...but hard to think straight when your adrenaline is thru the roof.
420EdibleQueen t1_j68kcyy wrote
Sometimes not a good idea to comply either. The day I got nearly car jacked I froze and was more afraid of what the multiple guys with guns pointed at me would do if I got out. I used as much of the dash and seats as I could to block as much of me as possible, got a 911 call triggered and they took off. A little while later another car jacking happened a few miles away, the guy gave up the car, and was beaten and shot. Don’t know if it was the same guys or not. Cops said I was the third attempt that morning.
NPRjunkieDC t1_j68o6gy wrote
Wow! I'm so sorry you were a victim of this violence. I'm surprised they noticed the 911 call unless it was shining on the dashboard. In any case, kudos.
420EdibleQueen t1_j68oj8y wrote
It was on the dash mount so the one saw when I triggered it. They were quick too. It felt like it was so long before they took off, but after exiting dash cam footage down to just the incident for the cops it wasn’t long. From the time they blocked me in until they hopped back into the car and took off was 50 seconds.
NPRjunkieDC t1_j68p171 wrote
I can imagine the sensation that it took forever
xanadumuse t1_j64ox9x wrote
Everyone reacts differently. It’s hard to stop and think rationally when your adrenaline is engaged. I chased down a group of teens after watching them hit someone over the head with a book. Didn’t think twice about what I did. It just turned on.
Formergr t1_j6697h3 wrote
I had a guy come in to my dorm room in college while I was in bed already, and after talking to me for a bit in a super creepy way (tried to pretend to know my roommate), he grabbed my wallet from the dresser and took off.
I chased him down the hall!
I was a 120 lb girl and he was a 6'5 huge dude. I just...pure adrenaline-fueled instinct. No conscious thought at all.
Thankfully I didn't catch him, lol.
xanadumuse t1_j66jilc wrote
I wonder what would have happened if you did catch up ? I didn’t catch the kids either although they did legitimately seem kind of scared. Probably not used to people going after them. Mind you- I did scream bloody murder while running towards them.
Formergr t1_j66mvlv wrote
> I wonder what you would have done if you did ?
Seriously, I have no idea. Thank god I didn’t.
NPRjunkieDC t1_j64p9zr wrote
I was robbed once on a dark road near Dupont. Guy took one gold ring and the second one I said no!
I actually peed myself. Froze
BarackMcTrump t1_j669kw2 wrote
Was the perpetrator a juvenile?
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PanAmargo t1_j64nbss wrote
That’s bad ass
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debyrne t1_j654a71 wrote
DC NEXT DOOR!
vtsandtrooper t1_j640yzv wrote
It feels like its a handful of people doing this. It would take a bait car or undercover police doing something… but they keep complaining they cant do anything about it.
As a citizen im half way to creating a bait car just to stop the stupidity