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fatcIemenza t1_j651dam wrote

Depends on how bad the video is and how spontaneous the protests are

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ottereatingpopsicles t1_j653dyy wrote

Do you think protests would be outside the White House or somewhere else in the city?

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Animaled t1_j653t4a wrote

Does anyone know which federal agency sent out this out? It was posted on popville.

“Please be advised that the US Marshals Service is recommending that federal employees evacuate from federal facilities today no later than 3 PM Eastern time (or your equivalent local time).”

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AsbestosIn0bstetrics t1_j653tvo wrote

I don't expect much. For the most part, people here are pretty apathetic about the violent crime that occurs in their own streets, so I don't see them burning down the city over something that happened a thousand miles away, no matter how horrific it may have been.

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justmahl t1_j65508z wrote

Police were fired and expected to be charged with murder. Not sure there's much anger in any protest. If this were the case anytime these kind of scenarios happened, you wouldn't have had hardly any of the protests we've had in the past.

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Brickleberried t1_j6553w2 wrote

No idea. I haven't seen the video to know how bad it is, but by the pre-response, it's probably bad.

However, relative to the George Floyd murder:

  • The cops have already been arrested, which negates one major purpose of potential protests

  • The cops are Black, which works to lessen the racial animosity this could provoke (then again, anecdotally, white cops seem to get arrested less than POC cops for similar crimes, so maybe that'll piss people off too).

  • However, there's also been very little actual police reform since George Floyd, and most police departments across the country have had their budgets increased, so there might be anger at the lack of response from 2.5 years ago.

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mimaiwa t1_j655goj wrote

Probably depends on just how horrifying this video turns out to be.

That said, I haven’t seen even close to the amount of online chatter there usually is ahead of major protests.

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CriticalStrawberry t1_j6568t2 wrote

His family has asked for it to remain peaceful, despite the supposed extremely graphic nature of the video to be released tonight.

Hopefully people listen, but I don't have high hopes. Burning our cities and local businesses to the ground all across the country doesn't accomplish anything.

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AsbestosIn0bstetrics t1_j658rhb wrote

Replying to johnbrownbody (#1,535,699)

Oh, so you don't find that statement to be true? Will you be out there tonight?

There have been 14 homicides in the District of Columbia so far in 2023. That's practically one every other day. But funny, I can't seem to recall 14 protests about a god damned thing. So yeah, I stand by my statement, and I'm flattered that you care so much about my words.

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johnbrownbody t1_j65bn6p wrote

Replying to AsbestosIn0bstetrics (#1,535,965)

>Oh, so you don't find that statement to be true?

What part of "your pet grievance" do you not understand? Also just because you aren't involved in your community or understand how people involved in their community engage with these issues doesn't mean people don't care. This is a complex idea for you, but again based on your post history, you don't have much insight here so it's always good to spell out obvious things for people who dont know any better.

>So yeah, I stand by my statement, and I'm flattered that you care so much about my words

Whatever it takes to make yourself feel better. Sure.

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app_priori t1_j65ci1p wrote

If it had been 5 White/non-Black cops arrested, I think it would have been very bad.

But given that it was 5 Black cops who got arrested, I expect that fact to lessen the tension a lot. There's an implied notion that after a decade of many highly publicized cases of police brutality, cops (especially Black men who are cops) should know better. Kudos to the family of the victim and their lawyer calling for calm as well. There's going to be more of a police brutality angle to this one than a race one.

I hope to read more about the service history of these cops. Most likely they all exhibited warning signs in their records.

Policing has a tendency to attract bullies and power-trippers. Given the police officer shortage throughout this country, it is easier for people of bad dispositions to become police officers. Police departments need to be empowered to remove people of poor disposition and tendencies towards authoritarianism from their ranks. Policing is a service, not an excuse to be a jack-booted thug of the state.

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Itwantshunger t1_j65ibbc wrote

Replying to BellbergDC (#1,535,642)

Dealing with MPD over major issues last year, I can say they disengage more often now. I don't think that was the lesson for them to learn, but that is the biggest shift they've made. They are highly aware of media optics.

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ThatsALovelyShirt t1_j65jfda wrote

Replying to Brickleberried (#1,536,197)

The RCCA is literally reforming the criminal code. By reducing almost all penalties. Including for things like sexual assault and rape.

It's got very little to do with police, except having them spend $50 million on retraining. Most of the changes have to do with giving lenient judges more power.

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LilInterweb t1_j65k5bo wrote

Replying to justmahl (#1,535,428)

I mean, the video is from a street camera. The police did not have their body cameras on. That’s an institutional issue that should have been fixed decades ago. The police decision the men were in was named Scorpion 🦂. Does that seem like a Community Safety based police culture? I know the acronym is stands for something about protection and safety but clearly the name was dreamed up by a room full of toxic male energy. Why were five officers called to a traffic stop? That should have been a red flag.

The police chief has seen the footage and she is trying to take the hot air out of the room but is she addressing how she could have prevented this? How her department policies could have stopped 5 men from going to a traffic stop?

You don’t just beat a man to death out of the blue, all five of these men no doubt displayed behavior prior to this incident that the department should have picked up on.

We also don’t know if this was a homophobic hate crime. And we all know police need reform ACROSS this country including right here in DC. A protest would show the DC police that we as a community will not stand for violence and murder against any one in our community.

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greetedworm t1_j65kng3 wrote

Replying to justmahl (#1,535,428)

The anger will be about the fact that it keeps on happening, also the video is supposed to be pretty horrific and given the timing of the release people arent gonna be able to process it before protesting and they're gonna react with a lot of raw emotion.

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justmahl t1_j65lo0z wrote

Replying to greetedworm (#1,537,794)

There's frustration that it keeps happening but what angers most is that our intelligence gets insulted and we're told no crime was committed. This is being treated as a crime and while there will be questions about how this even happened, this is the bare minimum of what we as a community want.

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rosetape t1_j65qrc8 wrote

I’m not worried about protests. I’d be interested in marching in a protest. What I am worried about is certain people using this as an opportunity to smash windows and loot businesses.

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throwaway6308 t1_j65r1eg wrote

I work near Lafayette Plaza. We were all told to leave the building by 6pm and there are a ton of police vehicles on Vermont Ave outside the Veterans Affairs office. But everyone seemed pretty calm and not expecting much violence.

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releasesafeties t1_j65sybz wrote

MPD is expecting the worst, considering they've canceled our days off and put us all on 12 hour shifts. Obviously that's mostly just in case things get out of hand.

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IcyWillow1193 t1_j65v9me wrote

Replying to Animaled (#1,535,234)

>“Please be advised that the US Marshals Service is recommending that federal employees evacuate from federal facilities today no later than 3 PM Eastern time (or your equivalent local time).”

that's pretty obvious BS. Popville is a joke as a news source. Usually it's fun to mock the site and its commenters as a relatively harmless haven of hapless urban naïfs, but this seems harmful and clearly intended to stir trouble.

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Ninjroid t1_j65wwe9 wrote

They committed crimes and were arrested and charged with very serious offenses. What the hell are we going to protest??

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LilInterweb t1_j664l89 wrote

Replying to Gilyon01 (#1,539,535)

I’m honestly wondering why five BLACK police officers attack and beat to death another black man. Normally the cops are white and racist. Something else seems to be driving this one. I fear it is either homophobia, gang, or someone knew something about the victim such as who he’s sleeping with or something. Black cops don’t just beat up black men.

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Oneightyoner t1_j66axji wrote

I recon itll be more suburbanites and folks padding their CV that'll be out tonight. My general feeling from folks in my neighborhood (NE rhode island ave) is whats the point of protesting if they got arrested?

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Skimster t1_j66b6vq wrote

Replying to go4tli (#1,540,756)

Well, it wouldn’t be full accountability until the arrests were turned into guilty convictions with meaningful sentences, but at least the potential for accountability seems to be proceeding in an appropriate timeframe.

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BellbergDC t1_j66c996 wrote

Replying to thriftshopmusketeer (#1,540,659)

Umm ok…so MPD is beating and murdering people? Maybe you aren’t from here but for the most part this sub agree that MPD isn’t aggressive: particularly after the reform bills started but if that’s what you want to believe have at it.

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Texasforever1992 t1_j66l15r wrote

I don’t expect it to be near as bad as after George Floyd, but I expect some significant protests. It’s really hard to predict how bad it will be without being able to see the video.

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Formergr t1_j66pbim wrote

Replying to DistrictBaguette (#1,541,430)

And if they didn’t try to proactively be prepared and shit went down with not enough of them to handle it, you’d be shitting on them for slacking, right? Pick one.

There’s a lot of legitimate things to criticize MPD for, but being prepared like this when many other cities are doing the exact same thing should not be one of them.

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london_toby t1_j66s7hi wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,534,997)

So guess what? The Apple Store at Carnegie Library was indeed closed early today! I tried to go in around 5:30 today and they were closed. Just a guy stood at the door and a sign saying special hours. Maybe a coincidence but now you mention this … who knows.

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turnip-taker t1_j66u39h wrote

I don’t think the protests will be that prominent. This is a horrifying situation, but these five sorry excuses for men were fired and charged with murder, so at least we’re seeing accountability—and a lack thereof is why these sorts of protests form. RIP Tyre.

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Vortex2121 t1_j67zvvj wrote

My apartment sent out a long email to residents saying to make sure not to let anyone into the building we don't know. Apparently, the police or someone was contacting businesses letting them know that it could get out of hand.

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Texas_Rockets t1_j688g0r wrote

Replying to Brickleberried (#1,535,448)

I think the notion that if they were white they wouldn’t have gotten arrested so quickly will be a key factor. But this case was relatively unique in that there is no nuance to be explored, no further facts/evidence that could change the understanding of what happened, and it was all caught entirely on video. It was straight up just 5 cops beating a man to death. There’s no ambiguity here that might give the police chief pause.

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EqualLeg4212 t1_j68nmv5 wrote

I was at BLM plaza/Lafayette Square around 7-8 last night and there were more cops and than protestors. Considering the brutality of this murder it was disappointing to not see more folks out raising their voices.

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Shorseys22 t1_j695qr2 wrote

Replying to releasesafeties (#1,538,881)

So you all prepare for this but not J6?

Edit: Downvotes are neat. Nevertheless, MPD knew about it in December. They were also asked to respond during. https://www.justsecurity.org/81806/january-6-intelligence-and-warning-timeline/

Nevertheless, it proves my point. Our police department is a shitshow, and they need better leadership accountability. We as a community should vote to break up their shitty Union and put them on a civilian oversight board while also making all officers obtain liability insurance for actions unbecoming. I’m sick and tired of my dollars going to protect those who don’t protect us.

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Stimpy3901 t1_j69kq6r wrote

Replying to LilInterweb (#1,540,389)

Race is a factor in all this because for one thing Black communities are more likely to be over policed and therefor Black people have a higher chance of interacting with the police in first place. But, police as a whole are the problem, they are trained to confront issues with violence and when your only tool is a hammer all your problems start looking like nails. You can diversify police forces all day and it’s not going to change this fundamental problem. There’s a lot more than I can get into in a Reddit post, but basically we need to radically reimagine public saftey

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jofijk t1_j69nwvs wrote

Replying to Fit-Negotiation-2917 (#1,556,608)

A lot of people from Memphis have posted on the bigger threads that the chief of police is directly responsible for creating the special unit that the 5 cops were on and she’s firing/charging them as more of a political move than anything. The unit is called SCORPION and apparently has received lots of complaints from brown/black neighborhoods that they are aggressive and go out of their way to intimidate. If this was just caught on police body cam the footage would never have seen any publicity. A major part of why the public knows about this is that a security camera caught the full incident. In the security camera video you can see the moment they notice the camera and the demeanor of everyone completely changes

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alagrancosa t1_j69o9lf wrote

Replying to Skimster (#1,539,342)

Agree. This is really the first time-where the perpetrating officers were either fired immediately or charged criminally. Often, we only finally see these videos after months if not years of foi requests and then we often learn that the officer remains on the force.

This whole incident shows what is meant by “structural racism”. Our law enforcement infrastructure evolved from the patchwork of private and public jails and slave catching forces that were used to catch runaways and chasten rebellious or naughty slaves.

As a result of this slave catching, us vs them mentality, a white person is far more likely to be killed by police in the United States or Brazil than a black person in any part of Western Europe.

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LilInterweb t1_j6am6e9 wrote

Replying to Stimpy3901 (#1,559,350)

I agree. I see police is the misc catch all for the failure of other systems. Speeding, we need speed camera, domestic abuse, we need counseling and mental health as well as better paying jobs to prevent financial stress, burglary, we need locks and alarms and insurance that is affordable.

All the things police respond to can be addressed in other ways and more effectively.

Sorry about my comment above but I had hope that diversity would at least stop THIS level of brutality from occurring. But hey, that idea seems to have triggered a lot of folks based on the number of down votes. 🤷‍♂️

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masteryodaswisdom t1_j6cb3c6 wrote

Replying to releasesafeties (#1,538,881)

That's cuz after George Floyd they have experience knowing what to expect. If protests happen again, police will be even more equipped to deal with dissent. Especially since Tyre's execution was so much more violent than George's (imo) and they know people are traumatized, emotional, and upset

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masteryodaswisdom t1_j6cbr83 wrote

Replying to Skimster (#1,539,342)

Until the perpetrators are convicted things are not settled. The charges definitely are justified and a good sign of improvement, but if these guys get off there may be additional retaliation. Also the overall nature of grotesque publicized gang violence under the name of law enforcement seems far more impactful than one disgusting cop with a bunch of standbys in the case of George Floyd. Even if everyone involved gets convicted it's still an unsatisfactory response for most people that are not ok with this behavior

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Itwantshunger t1_j6l744g wrote

Replying to BellbergDC (#1,541,417)

Just to revisit, the MPD cops told me I had to remove mentally unstable intruders from my own building after several breaking and entering reports from me. But yes, make sure I feel bad about not solving policing in America.

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