Submitted by Witches_Brew t3_yp32uq in washingtondc
It's too damn dark, they can have my hour back.
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iamdanthemanstan t1_ivha46e wrote
Why is the earliest sunset not on the solstice?
Useful-Pattern-5076 t1_ivhaova wrote
I have a wake up light alarm clock so I do not need nor want this daylight when I wake up. I want to be able have some daylight after a long day of intense clicking and typing
UmbralRaptor t1_ivhatyc wrote
Mostly because of Earth's orbital eccentricity. Seriously. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_of_time
murphski8 t1_ivhau92 wrote
The Equation of Time apparently. Solstice is just the shortest day, not necessarily the earliest sunset.
BoysenberryNo4959 t1_ivhchta wrote
Sameeeeeee. Walking my dog in the dark at 5:30 pm and am sucks.
CriticalStrawberry t1_ivhdnrq wrote
Meh, I'd rather it be light when I'm walking my dog or biking after work.
BangaiiWatchman t1_ivhj3jd wrote
It’s so fucking depressing. Pass the damn sunshine act Congress
AinDiab t1_ivhn8ag wrote
If we kept DST it would still be dark at 5:45. That's earlier than many people get off work.
Plus between November 24 and February 14 the sun wouldn't rise until after 8am (and for a good portion of time would be near 8:30am).
celj1234 t1_ivhooqq wrote
Push back another hour. Who cares about the morning
MinervaZee t1_ivhp6a2 wrote
I love hav8mg light in the morning! Helps me be able to ge5 out of bed. Just can’t do it in the dark. Not a morning person. I work late so was always home after dark anyway.
iLikeGreenTea t1_ivhq16s wrote
Exactly!!!!!
CriticalStrawberry t1_ivhrs8i wrote
I couldn't care less when the sun rises. I'm in a windowless office before it does even with standard time. I'll take the extra evening sunlight.
Less_Wrong_ t1_ivhslt2 wrote
I hate having light in the morning. I’m still sleepy! I want the warm yellow light of the kitchen as I make my coffee while it’s still dark out. And being able to walk in the dark once I get off work.
We need to pass the ‘always DST’ bill asap and go back.
AinDiab t1_ivhtm5i wrote
Have you lived somewhere that the sunrises at 9:30-10am? I have and it's grim as hell
AinDiab t1_ivhu8wv wrote
So assuming you're in the office by 7am then, you're probably off by 4pm so it should be light for your commute home plus time for a little dog walk on standard time. Not bad.
buckenmuck t1_ivhue8z wrote
An 8:30am sunrise for most of January would be more depressing.
Witches_Brew OP t1_ivhwhl5 wrote
Good perspective. Maybe when it's not 70 outside I can get into that mindset haha!
-myBIGD t1_ivhx2oo wrote
Yeah…I’m waiting for tea & cookie season when it finally gets chilly out. ☺️
celj1234 t1_ivhxezu wrote
WFH I’m cool with that.
ClusterFugazi t1_ivhxv1z wrote
Congress can’t even agree on something everyone wants
heels_n_skirt t1_ivhy0rn wrote
Happy Hour should adjust for the new time.
Study-Hour t1_ivhyic8 wrote
because a lot of folks rightfully don't want it because it's awful and has a shitload of negative effects on you.
Study-Hour t1_ivhz6sl wrote
... you could just wake up earlier and start working earlier rather than making everyone else do it
celj1234 t1_ivhzqej wrote
I want it to be lighter in the evenings. Waking up earlier doesn’t help that. This time of the year is trash
Study-Hour t1_ivhzvzb wrote
so wake up earlier and get off earlier. stop fucking up the world for everyone else
sudsomatic t1_ivi00n9 wrote
Interesting I just looked up that the sun does set at the earliest time at 4:45pm on Dec 7 with a sun rise at 7:13am in DC. The shortest day is the 21st like we all know but the sun rise happens at 7:23am with a sun set at 4:49pm.
celj1234 t1_ivi15vu wrote
Nah that wouldn’t work.
Lol no one here is changing anything. Why are you getting so upset homie?
celj1234 t1_ivi1aj0 wrote
Nah. But it being dark and cold at 445 will be
Study-Hour t1_ivi1j24 wrote
Why wouldnt it work?
And because the movement make DST permanent is real and stupid. Congress nearly passed that dumb shit. We tried it in the 70s and repealed it within 3 years because it was awful. Making everyone wake up earlier is a dumb decision and throwing circadian rhythms to hell just for fun is dumb
thepulloutmethod t1_ivi289f wrote
What about those of us who walk our dogs and ride our bikes before work...and take our kids to school.
CriticalStrawberry t1_ivi3660 wrote
Do you not have to be at work until 10a or after? How do you have time to do all that in sunlight even during standard time?
Study-Hour t1_ivi3nw6 wrote
given even the latest sunrises are at 730, you've easily got enough time for a lot of that
celj1234 t1_ivi3wa8 wrote
Bc of my work schedule. There is zero reason for me to “get up earlier”. So for me it would personally be great. Idk why I should care that it wouldn’t be for you. Idk you.
Gimme light in the evenings after my work day. 🙌🏾
CriticalStrawberry t1_ivi3xei wrote
Assuming you have to be in the office by the standard 8-9am and you have the average American commute of 30-45min, I don't follow how it would be possible.
thepulloutmethod t1_ivi42kl wrote
9am start time, 15 minute commute door to door. I shower before bed so all I need to do is brush my teeth, quick snack, and get dressed.
Study-Hour t1_ivi483n wrote
what you have meetings that go to exactly 4:30 so you're limited strictly by dst for one whole hour of extra light?
because it'll be bad for you too, because it has serious negative effects on sleep quality, indirectly on things like cancer rates, accident rates, increased energy use, etc.... most of the scientific community is against it for a reason.
Study-Hour t1_ivi4f00 wrote
up at 7:30, 15m to walk the dog, 15m to get your kids to school, a half hour bike ride, and then a 15m walk to work? still leaves 15m in there to flex between things
celj1234 t1_ivi4jmt wrote
You’re Bane
brock_h t1_ivi4x8b wrote
We shouldn't have our lives accommodate psychopaths
CriticalStrawberry t1_ivi4zkf wrote
The average American doesn't have a 15 minute walk to work commute. We're talking about country wide policy change.
TryOurMozzSticks t1_ivi5256 wrote
I find football helps 4 days of the week.
Study-Hour t1_ivi5578 wrote
yeah but the average american also doesn't drop their kids off at school or walk a dog or bike either. And that still would leave, as I noted, a 15m flex time so that could easily be a 30m commute.
celj1234 t1_ivi5hg1 wrote
Every day with CFB. Thank god
Study-Hour t1_ivi5q0e wrote
exactly why we shouldn't make permanent DST, plenty of deaths, goes against the natural order of circadian rhythms?
CriticalStrawberry t1_ivi5qtq wrote
Nearly all the correlation with those adverse effects is due to changing the time, not due to DST. The science points to picking one and leaving it alone. It doesn't favor one over the other.
CriticalStrawberry t1_ivi5wq1 wrote
No but I lived somewhere that it's basically dark by 4. And it is indeed grim as hell. Give me evening sun.
Study-Hour t1_ivi5xk9 wrote
actually no. have you not looked at stats comparing people on one end of the time zone to the other? or stats comparing the non-DST state's energy use (Arizona) to the rest of the country during DST? There's evidence also we basically never recover from DST changes. We just fuck our sleep for years
dc_dobbz t1_ivi63yb wrote
100% with you. I find dark evenings cozy, but trying to get up for work when it’s dark out, you might as well just kill me now.
dc_dobbz t1_ivi6bwt wrote
Do you teleport in? If not, I’m assuming you’d have to be outside at some point
CriticalStrawberry t1_ivi6iqt wrote
No. Commuting in the dark just doesn't bother me. It's useless time so it may as well be dark. I'd rather have the sunlight during hours that I can be out recreating and enjoying it.
dc_dobbz t1_ivi6u2j wrote
Nights in this city are great. No issues with nocturnal recreation for me.
CashewAddict t1_ivi72gg wrote
TIL, thank you!
sagarnola89 t1_ivi7wwb wrote
If only we actually passed the Sunshine Protection Act and the earliest the sun would set would be 546. Would be so nice...
gutterbrain73 t1_ivi8043 wrote
This is why I have cats.
MedicalHuckleberry74 t1_ivi8wsg wrote
What is a wake up light alarm clock?
MedicalHuckleberry74 t1_ivi91sn wrote
I can’t decide. I’ve always been a proponent of wanting more daylight after work, but the older I get the more I think I’d hate it being dark until 8:30am more.
jgf556 t1_ivichua wrote
Winter Solstice is the shortest day, and also when the sun appears to reach an endpoint in its analemma.
jgf556 t1_ivicpil wrote
Read this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2022/03/17/daylight-saving-time-sunrise-sunset/
TLDR if DST is made permanent, there would be days when the sun doesn't rise until 9-10 AM in western parts of each time zone.
snortgigglecough t1_ivie5w3 wrote
I gotta stay out of these threads because every time I see this opinion I become irrationally angry.
celj1234 t1_ivij9d6 wrote
That’s fine.
cloudyoort t1_ivil43m wrote
It's mostly just is an alarm clock where a light slowly gets brighter for about a half hour before the actual alarm goes off. It's supposed to simulate the sunrise. The fancy ones also do color shifts from dark red to yellow-white light. It was life changing for me.
MedicalHuckleberry74 t1_ivil99n wrote
That sounds awesome. There are a ton of options…which one do you have?
cloudyoort t1_ivim8je wrote
I've had this one for about 7 years now: Philips SmartSleep Wake-up Light, Colored Sunrise/ Sunset. Looks like they're still being sold on Amazon though for about $80. I also like it because you literally slap the thing to snooze it. No button, just slaps.
discojing t1_ivimg62 wrote
Some people, ya know, have set hours. We can’t just change what time we leave or come in.
MedicalHuckleberry74 t1_ivimn6p wrote
Hell yeah. I’ll be slappin in no time.
Study-Hour t1_iviomd2 wrote
I don't think I've ever met someone who didn't either work shifts that would be completely separate from DST changes, or whose office was flexible at least within a half hour.
dynospectrum7 t1_ivip8n3 wrote
Let the corn in Indiana get it’s sleep.
-thersites- t1_ivjear1 wrote
I remember 1974. I had an 8:00 a.m. class. I couldn't stay awake in it. I now realize that's because it was at dawn.
KingBowser11 t1_ivjm5n5 wrote
I looked into a light alarm clock, I couldn't find one I liked so I eventually just went with a smart lightbulb in my bedroom lamp. Its basically the same thing but its just a light bulb with scheduling capabilities through a phone app. I have the Phillips system. Since getting that one light bulb, I now have them in my entire house. Extremely easy to set timers, dimming from my phone, turns on and off with location so never come home to dark house, change colors for holidays. It can also be voice activated from phone or Alexa. And motion sensors available for closets, etc. Highly recommend.
Virtual_Ad_6667 t1_ivjmdp0 wrote
How can you SLAP!
KingBowser11 t1_ivjmwwc wrote
I'm with you. I would absolutely hate sunrise at 8:30am. And without daylight savings, sunrise at 8:30, sunset would still be at 6:00pm. Most people I know still aren't home by 6pm so it's not like we would get hours of daylight after work anyway. Sunshine Act just makes mornings worse and evenings not really better.
EternalMoonChild t1_ivjrhzn wrote
It’s way too bright in the morning now too, I’ve been involuntary waking up at 7 am.
PandaMomentum t1_ivjt8ao wrote
All I've discovered is that people have really strong opinions on this.
Also, just a reminder, the winter is Standard Time that tries to match local noon (when the sun is highest in the sky, halfway btwn sunrise and sunset) as best as it can to 12 on the clock. The summer is Daylight Saving Time, which is an hour off from local noon. More or less.
Any state can remove DST at any time and use Standard Time always (see Hawaii, Arizona. How this would work for the District I dunno, probably can't). But Congress has to act to shift everyone to DST and eliminate Standard Time.
Useful-Pattern-5076 t1_ivjx4sj wrote
They are awesome, I have a Phillips one as well. Highly recommend. I used to live in a den of an apartment with no windows so this was absolutely crucial to waking up
Brickleberried t1_ivl5apy wrote
I like the current system.
30ThousandVariants t1_ivlm1bz wrote
The direct piercing sun glare, right at eye level, happens an hour earlier and if I leave work a little later, I miss that bullshit entirely. These are victory conditions.
puttinonthefoil t1_ivm10ll wrote
So you take your dog out and your kids to school between 7:25 am and what, 8:30? That’s some fast action. My middle school started at 7:25!
WhiskeyTigerFoxtrot t1_ivmhfvn wrote
That's honestly a great time for a productive adult to be waking up and making the most of the day though.
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discojing t1_ivngal1 wrote
It’s in our contract to have coverage from 7AM-6PM. We have a morning shift (7-330) and evening shift (930-6). I cannot change my hours, and I know many people in support positions that are the same.
EternalMoonChild t1_ivnj086 wrote
A regularly functioning adult, definitely. As someone with sleep disorder who is also in grad school, it’s too early for me lol.
DCGinkgo t1_ivnkz0c wrote
No matter what what Congress does, somebodies will be seriously pissed. Just leave it alone and deal. It's going to be enough of a clusterfudge up there anyway. There are enough lighting technologies/darkening shades out there these days to get you through the night/day whatever.
Study-Hour t1_ivo1ch5 wrote
"I took the evening shift and its dark out when I get off, we should all wake up an hour earlier do it can still be dark when I get off anyway"
Messy-Recipe t1_ivosh6a wrote
ugh I like having it be dark into the morning. matches the morning mood instead of being all like ITS SUNNY PLZ BE CHIPPER AND AWAKE
SonofSonofSpock t1_ivq99sb wrote
Yeah, they tried permanent DST in the 70's and it sucked so much that they got rid of it after a couple years because people were dying. This is stupid griping, standard time for life!
SonofSonofSpock t1_ivq9gxe wrote
Daylight Savings Time is stupid, they should just stay on Standard Time all year.
discojing t1_ivqf6oj wrote
No. I don’t care what time the sun rises or sets. That’s my point.
UmbralRaptor t1_ivh3evp wrote
Having it not be dark out when I'm waking up is nice, though