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Friendly-Path-3888 t1_itnblo2 wrote

Reply to comment by LostLongIslander in Anthem refusing to refund Arcade Fire tickets by porterpilsner

What do you think Live Nation would do if Arcade Fire said "We want to prioritize our fans' happiness, please issue refunds on request."? Force the band to play at gunpoint?

This is on the artist. Live Nation and TM will happily take the blame, but you're a fool to place it there

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LostLongIslander t1_itneb0j wrote

Ya I feel you, but arcade fire is still touring, still running a business. They don’t think they should cancel the tour clearly, so why would they refund tickets. A pretty major act dropped off the bill and obviously there was a disagreement between the bands on what to do. You’re not gunna get a refund from people who don’t think they did anything wrong.

While I agree with your sentiment, would that even matter? Like what if LiveNation just told arcade fire to fuck off? What leverage would they have? Refusal to play LiveNation venues and working with TM? Good luck with that EDIT: no they aren’t going to make the band play at gun point, but the band isn’t going to get paid if they don’t play either, it’s a business.

With the other comments about people having a rescheduled show and can’t get a refund, I could see this working. Offering refunds to those who want them and rerelease them for the new date.

I totally agree with your sentiment and I’m the first one to say support artist who respect their fans, but from the arcade for perspective they sold tickets to a show they are still going to play, it’s not their problem Beck dropped off the bill.

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Friendly-Path-3888 t1_ito1uc2 wrote

> no they aren’t going to make the band play at gun point, but the band isn’t going to get paid if they don’t play either, it’s a business.

The band does get paid if they don't play, just not nearly as much. The promoter rents the room and pays the artist a guarantee for the engagement.

I'm in agreement that it isn't AF's problem, just wild to see everyone in here pointing fingers at everyone under the sun except the party responsible for keeping their money

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LostLongIslander t1_ito2wg6 wrote

I can’t believe that guarantee remains, if the band refuses to play. It doesn’t really matter because The promoter still has the power to cancel the show they are no longer delivering. Either party can make this right, but I think we both agree they aren’t going to.

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Friendly-Path-3888 t1_ito4cgv wrote

>I can’t believe that guarantee remains, if the band refuses to play.

That's literally how promoted shows work. The promoter fronts the band a chunk of money, fronts costs for the tour and production and advertising, takes back their expenses from the ticket sales and then splits profits with the artist, usually heavily favoring the artist.

The promoter can cancel it, and then another promoter (probably IMP itself in this scenario) would buy it up.

The only party who can unilaterally "make this right" is Arcade Fire - but the idea of getting a refund because the opener drops is preposterous.

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LostLongIslander t1_ito5rzz wrote

I understand how these shows are structured when it comes to risk and from my experience that “chunk of money” is small compared to getting on the stage.

And I completely agree with you about canceling this show because Beck dropped out. You seem to have it out for AF and maybe rightfully show, I have no idea the details of these allegations. But I think we agree this isn’t going to work out for these folks.

Good luck out there

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