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daveed4445 t1_isz4k9g wrote

Crime especially committed by a minor has really gone off the rails this past year or so. What are these kids doing??? Seems like there needs to be increased social services and support or some solution. It’s gotten really out of hand

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Existing365Chocolate t1_iszxyed wrote

Because there’s no punishment for them

Basically just held for a few days then released

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PhantomRoyce t1_it1509v wrote

Does it not go on a record or do they just not care? I was a young hoodlum in the city but I never did anything that would involve cops because I wanted to get a job one day

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ehenning1537 t1_it1evcj wrote

Oh well that didn’t matter. Juvenile records are sealed and then destroyed. Nothing you did as a child would have any impact on your adult job prospects. Obviously that isn’t information they advertise to minors.

Also, the kind of kids stealing cars with babies in the back aren’t the kinds of kids worried about college and job prospects. They don’t have two loving parents at home who will be shocked and appalled at their behavior. They have zero social pressure to be a decent person so they act like this. Lock up the parents or other responsible adults and ship the little idiots off to military school. Problem solved.

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PhantomRoyce t1_it27rk8 wrote

I went to a military school and those guys don’t need to be there. People think it will “beat you into shape” but it just makes you hate authorities with a passion. They need something,I just don’t know what it is

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ballsohaahd t1_iszdrtj wrote

Vax mandate for Dc schools but less than half are vaxxed. I’m sure many don’t go to school nor get supervision and when in trouble nothing happens

Dc purposefully doesn’t prosecute city people for crimes and many Reddit posts say theyve been robbed or had their car stolen, they found an ID the prep drops and no charges or anything.

Imagine living there knowing you can be robbed and literally find a dropped ID of the robber and nothing will happen?

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Apprehensive_Stop666 t1_iszami2 wrote

Yes, social services definitely will help.

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asldkjgljkaeiovne t1_iszrslv wrote

I'm assuming that was sarcasm, but currently in DC the direct social service programs for cases like this:

Alternatives to the Court Experience (ACE) Diversion Program*

Parent and Adolescent Support Services Intensive Case Management (PASS ICM)

Strengthening Teens Enriching Parents (STEP) Program*

Teen Parent Assessment Program (TPAP)

Youth Homeless Services

Functional Family Therapy (FFT) Team

PASS Crisis and Stabilization Team (PCAST)

The effectiveness and results produced by these programs aren't often discussed or even reported on.

The community and state are only two parts of the equation involved in kids being lawless and violent, their upbringing by their caregiver is an even larger piece to this puzzle than all other externalities combined, and yet I rarely ever hear of anyone discussing the huge role their households have as the direct influences on their lives. Anyone who has ever worked as a teacher or police officer knows what sort of home environment most lawless kids were raised in, and I spent twelve years as a LEO an my wife's been a teacher for twenty-six years, and almost without fail the kids I'd picked up and had constant contact with came from homes that were negative influences in almost if not every way possible. The kids who had more stable and supportive homes typically were being raised by older relatives, but it was unfortunately too late for their stable and responsible parenting to overcome what they'd already learned since birth. Kids had failed to be taught common decency, respect for themselves and others, and what it means to have values consistent with a functional society. Kids who are powerless at younger stages will attain power as they get older in ways that are violent and/or criminal. We see it most often in young boys who gain power through gangs/numbers/association, then the ante is upped with even more power with having guns, then robbing, then killing. Girls used to exhibit this phenomenon at much lesser rates, but lately this has changed and I see girls acting out in violent and lawless ways to gain power more and more frequently. I see in that list there are programs that would lead one to believe they would help, for instance, the FFT program in particular seems promising for future generations, but like I stated, I've never heard is spoken of or heard of anyone reporting stats on these programs except the ACE program, which last time I checked has glaringly poor results and nearly 100% recidivism, and in many cases there were unfortunate innocent people harmed in the wake, but sure do we like to report that 1% who succeed as if it's not also a reminder of the lack of efficacy of the output of such a program.

If we look at the family history of these kids we'll quickly note that they are the product of multiple failed generations, so it's going to take a lot of work, money, but nothing will work unless we're willing to be brutally honest and unafraid to objectively look at all areas of the lives of these kids instead of ignoring the issues that many appear to deem untouchable, most typically I suspect due to it oftentimes being known as career suicide for a politician. I volunteer in substance abuse recovery centers and of the tens of thousands of cases of individuals I've worked with I don't believe a single person was successful at staying clean and attaining any real sobriety if they didn't also change their home situation, because learned behavior and habits are too hard to overcome when times get tough no matter how much you know it's not good for anyone. Along those lines, the successes I've witnessed with violent kids almost always involved placement outside of their current situation, foster homes, relatives in different towns/cities where at least their home life was stable and positive.

I apologize for the long wall of text, just wanted to relate my experiences an assessment on what we're currently seeing.

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daveed4445 t1_it04bx0 wrote

I really appreciate your experience and what you wrote.

I’m by no means an expert or professional regarding social issues, especially children. But I am a data analyst and I think you make a really important point that I’ve never heard discussed (probably intentionally) that there is no data proving effectiveness.

That is crazy, why are we supporting programs that we don’t know work or we know actually don’t work??? I mean aside the obvious political reason

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WealthyMarmot t1_it19spm wrote

> I mean aside the obvious political reason

You answered your own question

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idkynz t1_it0wixg wrote

That's a lot of what isn't working. What's the program you wish there was, then?

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Apprehensive_Stop666 t1_it019ue wrote

>The effectiveness and results produced by these programs aren't often discussed or even reported on.

they are clearly working!

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Deanocracy t1_it001zf wrote

If we look at the family history of these kids we'll quickly note that they are the product of multiple failed generations,

Yeah… a good way to visualize this for people is…

Alcoholism is not inherited… its the trauma that goes through generations. Not an addiction gene.

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daveed4445 t1_it04f3i wrote

Addiction is genetic. Both factors combine to double whammy kids

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Odd-Shallot-7287 t1_it0tatc wrote

sounds like these kids need to be punished, dont treat them like children when they are making adult decisions and conducting heinous crimes.

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The_Herder12 t1_it0fko0 wrote

Unfortunately increase in social services and support does not work with Juvinile’s, you can’t force people to change that don’t want too, and while it sounds good how is the juvinile getting to where they need to go, who is going to force them to stay on track? Juvinile’s tend to not have the ability to think of the future an older person does. Throw on top that their is no fear of punishment leads these Juvinile’s to continue to be bold.

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