Submitted by floppydisk1995 t3_yez3lf in washingtondc
I see this all of the time in Cap Hill. There is like 40 feet of open space to park, but they always opt to stop right in the middle of the bike lane, or right at the edge of the block in the crosswalk. The latter is extremely dangerous because no one can safely see around the trucks.
If we want convenience, we need to build the infrastructure for it, not make the roads less safe for everyone.
100% this
It's not the delivery drivers, is the miles of subsidized street parking that's the problem
So let's just allow massive companies to profit even more by not ticketing their trucks, right?
NYC tickets the shit out of delivery trucks, and doesn't have this kind of problem. Somehow, New Yorkers manage to get their goods anyway.
https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/knowledge/economics/negative-externalities
Where did I once mention exempting delivery drivers from receiving tickets?
Right, and I get that. But I'm talking specifically when there is a wide open spot to park into, like 3 car lengths or more. I have never seen a delivery truck use it.
Bc they don’t have time for that or to get stuck in a parking spot bc someone comes up from behind them and boxes them in.
Urban planners need to figure out how to handle both deliveries and pickups. I actually find that the Amazon/UPS drivers to be less of an issue than delivery drivers for Ubereats or, frankly, people working for ride-hailing companies in general.
In the latter case, I notice that they abruptly stop, don’t pull near the curb, block the box, etc. I also get that it’s not their fault - the incentive structure does not reward that.
But .. yeah. Cities will have to get creative.
> Urban planners need to figure out how to handle both deliveries and pickups. I actually find that the Amazon/UPS drivers to be less of an issue than delivery drivers for Ubereats or, frankly, people working for ride-hailing companies in general.
This is called curb side management and is a growing section of urban/transit planning. Planners are bureaucrats and don’t really hold a lot of power, they mostly implement things determined by others (r/urbanplanning is full of dejected planners who feel they aren’t making any progress in their communities).
Curb side management in DC and surrounding jurisdictions is growing but it’s slow (too slow imho). You basically need to convince a bunch of people who have always used their car that they 1) need to rethink how/when cars are used along with the limited parking available and 2) fund that shit. People don’t like to hear that current way isn’t working and going back in time won’t work, either.
How is this remotely hard? Just enforce the law.
It's self-funding. If it's not, raise the fines until it is.
Try being a delivery driver.
I don't care about them as much as the Sysco trucks idling (in violation of the law) for 30-60 minutes while they unload in front of restaurants.
I have reported it to the DOEE and they ask me to take photos documenting it. I assume that office has like three people working there in one room, decorated with an inspirational poster featuring the CEO's of all of the hospitality groups in town that says REMEMBER WHO YOU WORK FOR.
I've had roughly 100% success rates just asking the driver to stop idling, no need for calls they know the score.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to be an unpaid regulatory enforcement agent.
Understood -- usually my goal is to get the truck to stop idling outside my window because it makes my head hurt, walking outside and asking nicely is quicker than calling and waiting for enforcement to show. If your goal is to spare environmental pollution rather than noise pollution then the same logic probably applies. Frankly the process is probably quicker than actually reporting it anyhow. YMMV.
>YMMV
You are so close to realizing that your situation is not the same one everyone else is in. I'm talking about far more than one one restaurant/bar and far more than one truck, multiple times throughout the week.
A non-flex pylon would go a long way at the entrance to the bike lanes. Seems like an easy fix.
Counterpoint: do you want your stuff quickly or not?
These companies budget for tickets, because it's far less expensive to just pay the fines if and when they are levied than to make drivers waste precious time trying to abide street-by-street parking laws. Drivers just do what's easiest for them, take the ticket if they get it and move on.
They are under extreme pressure to deliver packages. UPS drivers are monitored to a point that the company knows how long they've been away from the truck. They have something like 2min per delivery .
If they make a mistake and don't deliver a package on their route they have to go back on their own time
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I can't say rhat I am a fan of the way any delivery drivers park/idle, but they have a job to do. They are literally breaking their bodies to do it and the city is generally too crowded to find convenient parking close to their drop offs.
The real solution would be to convince the companies they deliver for to lower the volume of deliveries a driver is expected to do in a given amount of time, but there is no way in hell that is going to happen.
88138813 t1_iu0xdnz wrote
I know it's frustrating, but I always try to play devils advocate w/ delivery driver parking. We all order shit online. We all want it to get delivered to us as quickly as possible. Now imagine how long it would take if a delivery driver had to find a 100% legal parking spot for every single stop he or she needed to make... It's just not realistic.