Submitted by aNeonSpecter t3_11u3c9e in washingtondc
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aNeonSpecter OP t1_jcm83zx wrote
I agree, if you build the infrastructure biking riding will increase on it's own
[deleted] t1_jcm8ytt wrote
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AlphaStormyFire t1_jcma4l1 wrote
Anyone know what is considered low income?
Surefinewhatever1111 t1_jcmagtz wrote
Council is pandering to upper middle class cyclists who can easily afford to buy their own. They're going to help those who don't need help again.
Surefinewhatever1111 t1_jcmallv wrote
It will be in the final bill, but they should be using AMI. Guessing, since it's Chuckles, it will be set at 100% AMI or even higher.
aNeonSpecter OP t1_jcmasmv wrote
There have been studies done about latent demand with regards to biking infrastructure. It works the same as it does with cars, you build more lanes and demand will increase to meet the new supply. If you build more and better biking infrastructure and make it a more attractive alternative to cars people will gradually end up choosing to bike more. I can link some articles if you want.
lDontFuckWithCondoms t1_jcme2vu wrote
I'm only going off my experience Riding in this city. However, I'd be interested to take a look at those articles that you mention
AlphaStormyFire t1_jcmi3st wrote
Ha I hope it’s like 60%
Veszerin t1_jcmjdlk wrote
How much is the DC Council getting in return? 🤨
Surefinewhatever1111 t1_jcmjzhw wrote
Deeply affordable housing is 30-50. There are usually a few cut offs, 30, 50,70 and sometimes 80/85.
aNeonSpecter OP t1_jcmmsh7 wrote
These are some that I found from some googling:
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2024399118
https://flrec.ifas.ufl.edu/geomatics/hochmair/pubs/hochmair_GI_forum2009.pdf
https://www.littlerock.gov/residents/bikeped-little-rock/why-bikeped/latent-demand/
https://trec.pdx.edu/research/project/583/Lessons_from_the_Green_Lanes:Evaluating_Protected_Bike_Lanes_in_the_U.S. (specifically the second "lessons" report)
Some of this research is a bit old, but it think it's still relevant.
Usernameistaken00 t1_jcmn7or wrote
Bike thieves rubbing their hands together in anticipation.
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blootereddragon t1_jcmpzzc wrote
Came here to say this...
TruesteelOD t1_jcmqulh wrote
How is crafting policy to encourage more people to bike supposed to be pandering to drivers?
lDontFuckWithCondoms t1_jcmsndk wrote
Because people who have outstanding tickets and drive recklessly have no interest in bike lanes, let alone riding a eBike
TruesteelOD t1_jcmtf3z wrote
I really want to understand but that response was unreadable. Can you clarify?
Deep_Stick8786 t1_jcmthr5 wrote
Free metrobus rides
jabroni2020 t1_jcmtt7f wrote
Hopefully locks can be included in the program!
jabroni2020 t1_jcmud1e wrote
Ideally this can make e-bikes more accessible and cut off the idea that biking is just for rich hipsters.
And to people saying they should spend this money building out biking infrastructure - they are already trying to build 10 miles of bike lanes per year. if anything, this creates more advocates to speed those processes up.
EastoftheCap t1_jcmuq5y wrote
LOL
lDontFuckWithCondoms t1_jcmv8d4 wrote
Brushless angle grinder and a diamond blade you can cut into any lock in less then 2 minutes
tshontikidis t1_jcmwynj wrote
If they can easily afford it but don’t buy one, and then this rebate is put in place and they buy one it does it’s job. The goals is get more people to replace car trips with bikes.
tshontikidis t1_jcmx2dt wrote
I saw somewhere it’s tied to how Snap benefits are measured
tshontikidis t1_jcmxu5p wrote
A good conscience that they are trying to pass good legislation.
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tshontikidis t1_jcn436o wrote
Yea that’s not how it works… you would never get more than you paid for the bike. There are also versions of the bill that have it so you need to by from a dc based bike shop who facilitates the rebate, no bike shops have those garbage AliExpress bikes. Now if you got a free or nearly free bike and never use it well then sucks to be you, but there are going to be others that do so i say we are still coming out ahead.
ertri t1_jcncmxh wrote
E bikes are already stupid cheap tho! At least compared to cars
jabroni2020 t1_jcnfafs wrote
Yes but I don’t think most people see e-bikes as car replacements. Ideally that changes with a real bike network and better chances of not dying while biking though
MoreCleverUserName t1_jcnhyqr wrote
If you think a $600 e-bike is stupidly cheap then you’re not the demographic that will benefit the most from this.
Tom_Leykis_Fan t1_jcnk587 wrote
Awesome. A great idea.
ClammyAF t1_jcnrije wrote
More dead cyclists. Man, they'll create a tax incentive for anything.
CriticalStrawberry t1_jcny5w6 wrote
Hiplock D1000 and Litelocks actually have quite good angle grinder defense. But they're not cheap.
oxtailplanning t1_jcobq9i wrote
Also $600 e-bike is not great quality.
oxtailplanning t1_jcobstf wrote
If it's set at 100% AMI that's more rebates for more people. That's a good thing.
oxtailplanning t1_jcobw8e wrote
Right? Maybe they're getting traffic congestion relief, cleaner air, happier residents? Those bastards!!!
oxtailplanning t1_jcobyj1 wrote
Idiots want to dunk on legislation that they can't even read a summary of.
ertri t1_jcon9zu wrote
What’s the cheapest car you can get? What do new car tires cost? Ebikes are a stupid cheap car replacement.
$600 (agree with another poster that that’s way too cheap) is like 6-8 months of car insurance.
MoreCleverUserName t1_jcowfph wrote
$600 still isn’t CHEAP for a whole lot of people though. It’s not about the price of the car you’re comparing it to. It’s about the value of $600 that a whole lot of people don’t have just laying around.
ayeuimryan t1_jcp3hjr wrote
600 isnt getting u an ebike that u can commute to work every day ? Maybe
ayeuimryan t1_jcp3qgg wrote
Can u explain it
ayeuimryan t1_jcp45jw wrote
Helping the poor bastards
ertri t1_jcpoiy2 wrote
Ok then what do those people do literally anytime their car needs anything? Literally compared it to a car price. What can you get for your car that’s $600? Like a few new tires?
Surefinewhatever1111 t1_jcpxhty wrote
That's not how this works. The pool is limited.
PballQhead t1_jcq7n6r wrote
Shit, sign me up! Not an ebike fan at all but you're telling me I can get a dope Specialized eMTB for like $500, what's not to like??
BPCGuy1845 t1_jcq9lyc wrote
Maybe the city could fix the horrific pavement conditions so that it is safe to ride a bike?
deeplybrown t1_jcqn9li wrote
This is great news. Car-obsessed cyclist haters are too myopic in their thinking to realize that this benefits them in the long run as well.
skintwo t1_jcr6fum wrote
Two THOUSAND?! Folks will buy bikes and just sell 'em. Come on.
Give all low income folks a free bikeshare membership. Much safer than a lot of the ebikes that have been flooding the market recently that have unsafe brakes/batteries.
LissetteLovesBats t1_jcreqvw wrote
Oh sure like the $100 monthly stipend for metro users that never happened. 🙄
dc_co t1_jcs59wf wrote
Scamming ebike rebates too. Buy a bike at a discount and resell it for the profit.
Zwillium t1_jct415m wrote
>Give all low income folks a free bikeshare membership
There's already a $5/year + unlimited 60 minute ebike rides for low income folks.
lDontFuckWithCondoms t1_jcm7d8x wrote
Money Better spent fixing biking infrastructure and building bike lanes. DC council is pandering to erratic drivers who hate cyclists