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oxtailplanning t1_ja1ll3f wrote

Reply to comment by BrightThru2014 in Chief: DC Police Staffing at Its Lowest in Decades by thinkcontext

I conclude that the police didn't do as much to reduce crime as you'd think.

Also do any cops in DC actually get out of their cars and walk the beat.

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BrightThru2014 t1_ja2rc79 wrote

Why would you conclude that? Why did murders more than double during that same period? And before you say Covid, they were rising before 2020.

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BrightThru2014 t1_ja35iw6 wrote

Look at murder rates (which can’t be fake and don’t suffer from reporting issues) in DC vs. the US. You see your DC centric spike in crime there very clearly.

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BrightThru2014 t1_ja35xi3 wrote

Now compare 2013 to 2023.

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BrightThru2014 t1_ja36nhr wrote

I am saying the nationwide increase in murders is less than the increase in murders in DC on a per capital basis. This further correlates with a drop in the number of police officers during that same period in DC. Hence, the drop in police officers correlates with a disproportionate surge in crime in DC. Can you follow?

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BrightThru2014 t1_ja388la wrote

1)The increase in DC is higher; 2) There are similar trends with declining numbers of police officers in those cities too; 3) I agree a more progressive prosecutorial posture when it comes to enforcement is also to blame.

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BrightThru2014 t1_ja39fyu wrote

Same place you’re getting your data from. BTW I’m referencing a ten-year period here, not from 2020 onward.

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BrightThru2014 t1_ja3aoff wrote

Huh staffing issues started around a decade ago.

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BrightThru2014 t1_ja3c5oy wrote

Well in this case the escalating staffing issues resulted in an increased (i.e. over doubling of the) murder rate…so maybe we should listen to them?

Also some user posted an analysis awhile back about how DC will always need more police officers per capita than other cities because they have to staff more protests, protect more soft targets, etc.

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BrightThru2014 t1_ja3ivdw wrote

Use three year rolling averages. Numbers are all there.

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BrightThru2014 t1_ja3li9j wrote

You just said the data didn’t show a correlation — so don’t you have the data in front of you?

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BrightThru2014 t1_ja3lz8t wrote

What does that list have to do with the increase in murder rate in DC from 2013-2022?

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BrightThru2014 t1_ja3mxbx wrote

Are you really this dense? I never claimed that. I said that the relative INCREASE in the murder rate in DC from 2013-2022 outpaced other cities (while the number of police officers declined), not that the absolute number was the highest in the country at any point.

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BrightThru2014 t1_ja3xbuk wrote

On what basis do you say the rise was not more radical than any other city (and how do you separate that from other cities also losing officers during this period).

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BrightThru2014 t1_ja46gee wrote

On what basis are you claiming that the top 20 cities in the US by population had their murder rates increase by more than double from 2013-2022?

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BrightThru2014 t1_ja4iwla wrote

Okay so is that “no basis”?

There were 103 murders in DC in 2013 and 221 in 2021. That’s over double in 9 years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.

So I guess we accept you were wrong at this stage?

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BrightThru2014 t1_ja5tzyu wrote

I’d check those numbers again buddy. And how many of those cities also had declining numbers of police officers?

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OctoberCaddis t1_ja369ag wrote

Thanks for checking one of my crime apologist bingo squares, “crime also occurs elsewhere, so we should ignore it here”.

Bet if I scroll down you probably covered “it’s not as bad as the 90s”, too.

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